Letter

Gun-control laws should be repealed

Samuel A. Hill, Weare
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Viewed logically, virtually all "gun-control" legislation protects criminals from armed victims.

Think about that for a moment. Law-abiding citizens are prevented from using self-defense and protecting their own life and property.

For most of the past century, "gun-control" laws have been tested in America. Each and every one of them has failed miserably. Criminals and their criminal activities have not been affected by even the most draconian (unconstitutional) laws. The reason for their universal failure is no mystery: Criminals - by definition - do not obey laws!

Ironically, the anti-gun activists use the very fact that "gun-control" legislation is universally ineffective as a rallying cry for more of the same. That is sheer lunacy!

Rescind all federal gun-control laws, with one piece of legislation. All 50 states will follow suit, happily.

The Second Amendment of the Constitution has been ignored far too long. It is a keystone civil right, upon which all other personal freedoms and liberties exist. It protects American citizens not only from criminals but from their own government, something Thomas Jefferson seriously considered in his Declaration of Independence. Read it!

SAMUEL A. HILL

Weare

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ok ok..Archie Bunker and guns..

reminds me of the all in the family show about guns...

Gloria: Daddy..arent you worried about how many people are killed with guns in the city every year?

Archie:..Would it make you feel any better little girl if they was pushed out of windows?

funny but true...unless you are the chimp...then...not funny...more like a crapburst...a made up word..probably given to him by his trainer (hey...didn't you just bite off your trainers finger the other day..? bad chimp..lol)

Kenneth St. Cyr

kenstcyr's picture

to the chimp

chimp said

"It's reassuring to know that the most blinkered and paranoid citizens are always the most gun-happy ones, too.

explain why the 2nd ammendment exists?..Do you think that people that had just fought, suffered and died to rid themselves of an opressive government may have had a good reason to put into words and law, the very reason why the public should never be without the right? What do you think of the founding fathers of this great country? Were they "blinkered and paranoid citizens"?

Kenneth St. Cyr

kenstcyr's picture

Switzerland

dosen't every male have a automatic weapon, and is trained in the militia, and don't they have one of the lowest crime rates and deaths by guns in the world?

Kenneth St. Cyr

kenstcyr's picture

Well yeah...

they have socialized health care. We elitists refer to this phenomena as post hoc ergo propter hoc. Get a clue, man!

BillFromDover's picture

And the non-elitists among us

refer to posts like this as non sequitur.

MoodySara's picture

Washington, DC. June 10, 2009

Another example of why there really should be more gun control laws so that extremist wack jobs who go off their nut don't hurt themselves and others.

Honest Abe's picture

obey minor laws, break major laws

Right - this racist, white supremacist, holocaust denyer, who has fatal foundational moral problems - would have been unable to murder today if there had only been more guns control laws.

The gun is just a tool. His problem, as with all men, comes from the heart and mind. When we debate how long the waiting period should be to buy a handgun, we are already so far downstream from the source of the real problem.

Derek Davis's picture

Agreed, but,

it woulda been a lot easier stopping this whackaloon had he attacked brandishing a club. Have ya not seen 2001?

BillFromDover's picture

"You are restricted to buying one gun a month"

Horrors! Everyone should own at LEAST two.

Chimp Refuge's picture

"they are an effective tool for murder"

Good point. How many drive-by knifing have ya heard about?

BillFromDover's picture

Effective, but only a means nonetheless

You're right. I haven't heard about any "drive-by knifings". Good point. Ok, to ensure drive-by shootings never happen again, in addition to outlawing guns, we will also need to outlaw:

- brandishing a weapon
- firing into an occupied residence, and
- carrying a concealed weapon without a permit.

Oh... wait, all of those things are already against the law. Oops

So this is the point. Its been asked before, but it's a question that bears repeating: If someone has a criminal desire to murder another person, do you think they will be thwarted from the act because it would be illegal for him to simply be in possession of a gun?

Of course not. As evidenced by the fact that those guys doing the drive-by shootings are breaking plenty of other laws already. People who engage in illegal activity don't care what the laws are. When we start talking about which high capacity magazines hold more rounds than citizen Joe should be allowed to have, the criminals just laugh.

Derek Davis's picture

Why didn't we think of this sooner?

I've got it - the solution to the gun related crimes debate.

The biggest problem with guns is that they are an effective tool for murder. So.... I was just thinking and it hit me. Why don't we just outlaw murder? Thats it. Just make a law against murdering another person. That way, it doesn't matter what tool someone comes up with to use, it would be against the law to murder no matter what means is used. I can't believe no one thought of this before.

Derek Davis's picture

Hey Abe

I'm with Sara on this one. Just how easy it is to get this Uzi. Is a knock off and Semi Automatic or full, or do you have any idea. Most likely you don't but anyway you go ahead and buy one if it's so easy. This is just the untruths told by the wacko gun grabbers...

Hankp's picture

This is how

I can give several examples of how the gun laws are completely out of touch with reality; you have to be read your Miranda rights in all 50 states (Miranda v Arizona. In 1963) #1how is it that even if you have a CCW permit as a Law Enforcement officer in CA you have to wait 10 days to buy a gun. #2 You are restricted to buying one gun a month so you have to pay more per gun than you would otherwise have to. Equal protection of the law of the land should apply to every state and every person. The recent Heller case has now confirmed that it is an individual right to own a gun, you can

Honor 2 USA's picture

Added penalty for using a gun in a crime.

Almost no one knows this, but the NRA has been pushing state legislatures for years to enact the following:

If you use a gun while commiting a felony, then add ten years to whatever sentence the original crime deserves.

The problem is not guns, per se, but their illegal use.

Talk about 'automatic weapons' or 'assault weapons' is almost always uninformed nonsense. Yes, it is possible for a private person to possess a machine gun, but doing so requires a very-difficult-to-get federal license and background check.

MoodySara's picture

As an authority on

As an authority on everything, MoodySara, tell us about Uzi machine guns like they use in the movies. A simple google search suggests you can buy one online.

Honest Abe's picture

Go ahead. Try to buy one.

Let me know how that works out.

MoodySara's picture

It's easy to say that talk of automatic weapons is all hype

when you're safely insulated from the consequences. Move to the hood in Miami or L.A. and see if you cling to that delusion.

Are you claiming that criminals have a difficult time getting their hands on automatics, Sara? That would be an interesting position given how often they are the weapon of choice in, for example, gang-related murders. Guess where almost all of the thugs get their guns? That's right, they steal them from people who bought them legally. Live in South Florida for a while and watch the news there and see if your mind doesn't change or at least twitch a little.

Chimp Refuge's picture

The FBI says otherwise.

The FBI gathers statistics on guns used in crimes, by type.

The most recent report I can find is here:

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf

Many more such statistics are here:

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/

If you take the time to read this stuff, you'll see:

1. Homicides, and violent crime in general, are declining (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/firearmnonfatalno.htm)
2. Homicides committed with automatic weapons are a tiny fraction of the total.
3. The number of police killed in the line of duty has declined steadily since the 1970s (http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/homicide/leok.htm#leokweap).

Are there fully-automatic weapons out there? Of course. Are they easy to get legally? No. The legal process of buying the gun, getting the license, and getting the tax stamp can take a year. Are they used in a significant number of crimes? No.

MoodySara's picture

Gun control laws put peoples lives at risk

People should be able to own any kind of gun they want. The government can use any type they want so why should citizens not be afforded that same right? The best way for the government to take control of the people is to take away their ability to defend themselves. We live under a tyrannical government that does not care about it's people at all. The right to bear arms and the right of free speech are very important rights that we must never give up.

Ryan Joseph Murdough's picture

"We live under a tyrannical government"

It's reassuring to know that the most blinkered and paranoid citizens are always the most gun-happy ones, too.

Chimp Refuge's picture

well chimp...

explain why the 2nd ammendment exists?..Do you think that people that had just fought, suffered and died to rid themselves of an opressive government may have had a good reason to put into words and law, the very reason why the public should never be without the right? What do you think of the founding fathers of this great country? Were they "blinkered and paranoid citizens"?
this belongs at the top of this post

Kenneth St. Cyr

kenstcyr's picture

How I'm being hindered

I am hindered from possessing a weapon every time I travel outside the State of New Hampshire. Sure I can carry my weapon concealed or otherwise where ever I go in state. But when I travel outside the state I cannot be as safe as I am in my home state. The Federal Government should enact a national concealed carry permit. I have nothing to hide and would be willing to undergo any background check to get one.

clarkcoryd's picture

Curious

How many times in the last five years have you left the state and been less safe than you were at home? I'd like to hear the story.

Honest Abe's picture

Second Ammendment!!

Need I say more. Bad guys have them and so do the good guys.
Aim, take a breath, exhale and pull the trigger. You have just saved the taxpayers the cost of a trial. Does Addison (Cop Killer) ring a bell. For you anti-gun folks, just give the bad guy a hug as your dying. Hugs and Kisses Yea Right

Reginald's picture

The second ammendment

The right to bear arms. That right in New Hampshire is very much protected.

Those that possess firearms should be subjected to the 4 hour class and range qualification like I was. Safety and ethical use of firearms should be a requirement. Educate our kids on how to safely handle them. There was a time, not so long ago, one could bring a rifle to school, store it in the principals office, and leave after lunch to go hunting.

Firearms are like fire extinguishers in many ways. You have it on hand should the need every arise, when it is needed, it should be ready to go, and you need to know how to use it. You have an extinguisher on hand because, while you hope you never have a fire, it is there, to give you a chance to protect something valuable.

I am a supporter of the 2nd US ammendment and the 15th NH ammendment. I appreciate my firearms. I am not a gun nut. I don't open carry to draw attention to the fact that I can carry. I carry concealed and keep it pretty humble. I am prepared to defend myself or my family if the occasion ever required it.

Guns do not kill people, people do (or rather the ammunition). Our freedoms as Americans came to fruition at the muzzle of a musket and cannon. A fierce battle between the colonists of this land, and the English. Our ancestors fought for many freedoms. There is a reason the founding fathers put into place the protections for the second ammendment, and stated it shall remain unabridged.

Guns are a way of american life. For good and for bad. I would be happy to voluntarily give mine up when are no others left in this world. Otherwise... From my Cold Dead Hands.

Jvalley's picture

Where am I on the gun rights spectrum?

I believe that all mentally competent citizens without a violent felony on their record should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon subject to a reasonable waiting period; no more than 7 days. I think all handguns should be registered for the purposes of criminal investigations, just as you have to license an automobile. Everyone should have to get a permit and take a safety class before carrying a gun, unless they can test out of it somehow. I think that assault weapons and armor piercing bullets should be outlawed.

I would draw a huge distinction between weapons for hunting and handguns if such a thing were possible. Most violent crimes are committed by handguns so if at all possible I'd limit the regulations to handguns. If that muzzle loader described below is what they say it is, it strikes me as ridiculous that someone would have to jump through hoops to get it.

Plus if anyone uses a gun in self defense, I think they should not be penalized for whatever laws they had to break to obtain that weapon. Or if someone can prove that they had reason to believe that their safety was in imminent danger, they shoud not be penalized for skirting the gun laws to get that weapon.

yesacrellim's picture

Again another perfect example

THANK YOU!!!!! GDTRFB.... You just proved my point. There are no common sense guns laws because that's the "common sense" you people have .... NONE

Hankp's picture

Possible Solution

While I am for getting rid of many laws regarding the 'control' of fire arms in this Country, I do not believe we should allow all guns. Is there a real need for some of the fully automatic weapons out there?

Having said that, I propose a solution or at least partial solution, to the problem of criminals and guns. How about cutting off their trigger fingers? They can still function without them, but it would make firing a weapon a bit harder. It would make them easy to spot when they attempted to purchase a gun illegally. Not a perfect solution, but I think its a good start.

Yes I am serious.

jhg41977's picture

Melt 'em down.

Yup- every last one of them.

It's really freaking stupid when you think about it. A metal tube that flings a piece of lead.

How cowardly is that? Make a fist, grab a stick... Anything but guns.

Guns are responsible for nothing good in the world.

Get rid of guns, religion, and big business and this might be a nice planet to live on.

More legislation please! Outlaw all guns.

When guns are so easy to get that every inner city hoodlum is packing one, then something truly needs to change.

BIODTL's picture

I have never read anything

I have never read anything that lacks more knowledge and logic than this.

Ryan Joseph Murdough's picture

you can't be serious!

you just can't . . . CAN'T be serious!

Hunter Dan's picture

NOTHING GOOD?

Start with armed citizens that started the American Revolution. That turned out pretty good thanks to guns, didn't it? Nothing good? I enjoy target shooting. Really enjoy it. What's wrong with that? What do YOU enjoy doing that we should eliminate because I don't like it? Don't be an idiot.

rje49's picture

Oh And...

I'm sure our police force and armed forces would do very well with only sticks to defend themselves. Educate yourself -The brain is a powerful thing once filled with knowledge! I suggest you start in the American History section. You'd be suprised to know guns allow you to post such ignorant comments on this board. They provided the American people with freedom and continue to protect our way of life. Somehow, I doubt your ability to understand such things. Keep posting though, one day you'll have guns outlawed. Exactly what the criminals and terroists want. Unarmed foes... Smart!

Ranger's picture

What's really needed...

...is a way to prevent those who shouldn't have access to deadly weapons from getting their hands on them - without infringing on rights of those who will never harm anyone (shouldn't = children, felons, drug addicts, i.e.) Now that would be a challenge! There are some, like the liberal media and politicians, who believe blanket laws are the answer. But we enlightened folks know that in reality, those laws only affect the people we shouldn't be concerned about. This debate can rage on and on, but unfortunately nobody's mind is going to be changed.
Mr. Hill has a good point, but goes a bit too far.

rje49's picture

Another PERFECT EXAMPLE

Pat is a perfect example why you won't have "reasonable gun control" . This is being sought after by people who are totally unreasonable and have proven time and time again can't be trusted to stop there. Most if not all of your anti-gun crowd are clueless about guns and show it everytime they write..

Hankp's picture

Absolutely!

The reason "more laws" are called for by politicians is because the previous laws they passed didn't reduce violent crime- just as we knew they wouldn't. The NRA works for us to oppose most new gun control proposals, and they know this, too. We also know "gun control" groups will keep pressing for MORE LAWS simply because the laws that are enacted never result in reductions of violent crime. That's how it's always worked.

rje49's picture

The NRA works for us to oppose most new gun control proposals

The NRA works to increase their profits. no more, no less. Do you really think that they give a crap about your rights, one way or another?

BillFromDover's picture

I watched...

A documentary on gang activity on National Geographic last week. I was shocked at what I saw.

At one point in the documentary 6 gang members (wearing bandanas over their faces) posed for the camera with semi automatic weapons, machine guns and armor piercing bullets. All the weapons they had were illegal. The documentary continued for an hour as these criminal pulled out gun after gun after gun. They had stock piles.

It is obvious that gun control laws do not work. Abe, you ask -"Are you being hindered from possessing and using weapons today?" the answer is YES. People like myself and Hunter Dan have to jump though hoops in order to purchase a simple muzzle loader for hunting (In case you don't know, a muzzle loader takes only one shot and has to be packed and loaded by hand each time.) Hoops that can take up to 6 months to get through. I'm not opposed to this time period because as a law abiding gun owner I have no immediate NEED to have a weapon by tomorrow. But yes, citizens who obey the law are most certainly, without a doubt hindered in EVERY WAY possible.

Sam's letter needs to be taken quite seriously. Gun control does NOTHING to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. The entire process needs to be disected and re-evaluated. As Sam states in his letter, Criminals - by definition - do not obey laws!

Gun control is not the issue -criminals and the black market are.

Ranger's picture

Yahoo!

"Rescind all federal gun-control laws" -- Yep, strap on your AK-47 and let your neighbor know that you don't allow their kids to take a short cut through your back yard. Trespassers will be shot. Yippee! It's the wild west all over again. Do you also favor duels? Pistols at 30 paces? And don't forget those folks who might have the idea that "they are out to get me" so I had better get a gun to defend myself against "them."

Ask the mayor of Boston what he thinks of your idea.

Pat Kraft

kraftypat's picture

Yep, strap on your AK-47

Yer talkin' diddly squat against my RPG & bazooka. After all the 2nd did say arms, did it not?

BillFromDover's picture

Typical reaction

Now, why would people act like that just because certain laws were changed (which they won't be)??? What the heck do present gun laws have to do with trespassing? Duels? Please get a dose of reality, not Hollywood or liberal ranting.

rje49's picture

Are you kidding?

Way to put words in his mouth Pat... I do not believe gun control laws should be rescinded, however, it is obvious you know NOTHING about the subject. Your post is 100% ridiculous and shows just how uninformed you are about the actual issue. Do me a favor, take a deep breath and educate yourself before posting your fictional dillusions of a VERY serious issue and subject. This is not something to be taken lightly or make a joke about. You're above comparisons are disapointing and DO NOT represent the position of legal gun owners.

Maybe if citizens spent time educating themselves, laws in this country would actaully work and produce results.

Ranger's picture

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BillFromDover's picture

Now hold on Abe . . .

. . . there's no reason to use the term, "you gun people" . . . sounds like you're putting 'em in a big ol' box.

I'm one of those "gun people" too and I resent being put in your "gun people" box.

Hunter Dan's picture

Well, no worse than Sam's choice of words

"the anti-gun activists"--as if everyone favoring some form of gun control is a zealot.

People like Sam forget that the Second Amendment has a first half to it. I don't care if people want to own handguns, shotguns and rifles, but it's disingenuous to pretend that the Constitution includes language that makes it OK to have a personal arsenal of automatic weapons.

Chimp Refuge's picture

The first half of the 2nd admendment is not the operative clause

Justice Antonin Scalia said for the majority the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with militia service and to use it for traditional lawful purposes, such as self-defense in the home

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&num=100&q=scalia+2nd+amendment+ruling...

Get a grip, my man!

BillFromDover's picture

Sorry if I offended you HD,

Sorry if I offended you HD, but most gun advocates are as unreasonable as the religious taliban in America. I wanted to know how citizens are being denied by existing gun laws. I'm not a gun person. Wouldn't own one, so I don't know what handicaps gun people experience. I recently saw a broadcast that showed how people could buy guns at gun shows right out of the backs of dealers vehicles, no registeration, no hinderances that I could see. This was in the state of VA, so things might be different here in NH.

It's like the anti-tax people. They piss and moan and whine, but rarely give concrete examples of how they'd fix things if they were in charge. Sam's letter is like that. I don't know what's missing.

Honest Abe's picture

Don't miss this