As any political junkie knows, there's been a lot of yelling about health care in America lately, with people turning up at forums and meetings across the country to confront Democratic senators and congressmen about President Obama's reform push.
Activists appear to have recreated those scenes in New Hampshire this week, minus a couple of key ingredients, namely the congressmen and the town hall meetings.
The phenomenon appears to spring from a couple of conservative websites that have urged followers to attend staff office hours for Sen. Jeanne Shaheen - the usual turf for one-on-one constituent meetings in which a veteran might seek help getting benefits or a dad might ask for his child to be nominated to West Point - which some sites have advertised as health care town halls. One website, for the New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition, urged folks to go to meetings in Hampstead and Grafton to ask questions about "government takeover of health care."
Then, Obama's Organizing for America campaign joined in with an apparent effort to oppose the opposition: The group's Tim Arsenault sent out an "urgent invitation" to followers early yesterday asking them to attend a "Town Hall with Sen. Jeanne Shaheen" in Grafton and to demonstrate "your support of health insurance reform." A spokesman for Organizing for America did not return a call for comment yesterday afternoon.
Except that Shaheen wasn't in Grafton yesterday - she was in Washington, voting to confirm Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. And the event wasn't what in political-speak is called a "town hall"; it was Shaheen staffers holding office hours in Grafton's town hall.
The results, according to folks who've been there and to videos posted online, have been dozens of folks turning out with signs like "No Obama Care" or "Obama Care - Bend Over and Cough" and chanting outside the constituent meetings this week.
Shaheen, for one, was not amused. She chastised the groups yesterday in a statement that said protesters had gone too far, "intimidating people who had come to get help" and videotaping constituents who didn't want to be videotaped.
"These are not town hall meetings but rather office hours that we host in Town Halls across the state in order to make our caseworkers available to New Hampshire citizens who need help," Shaheen said in the statement. "The organizations that staged these protests knew these weren't town hall meetings because we called them to tell them so. I recognize the right of people on both sides of the aisle to protest, but impeding the ability of New Hampshire citizens to get the help they need is a line that shouldn't be crossed. They should be ashamed."
Libertarian activist Dave Ridley was there in Grafton yesterday with his video camera. (The video he posted on his website has blacked-out moments in it for citizens who didn't want to be taped.) He chronicled a scene of a couple dozen people holding protest signs and interviewed a supporter of Obama's health insurance reform effort. A couple of people puzzle at the fact that the Shaheen staffers aren't holding a forum.
"They're afraid of us and rightfully so," one man tells the camera. "Government should be afraid of us."
Ridley said he saw notice of the Grafton meeting on a tea party website and decided to attend because he lives right in town. Told that the meeting was in fact a constituent-services hour and not a major forum, Ridley said he still believes taxpayers have the right to query Senate staffers, who, he notes, are paid with taxpayer money.
"The taxpayers have a right to question (a staffer) all day," he said. He said it was little surprise to him that the health care debate has drawn such intense interest, because a reform to the health care system will affect so many.
"It's so drastic and so dangerous in people's minds that it's pulling people out of the woodwork," he said. (next page »)
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what is grass roots?
By pearljam23 - 08/08/2009 - 8:00 pmGrassroots, its an interesting term, that has been applied for some time in the political world meaning a movement started by the common people (middle and lower classes).
To all those who do believe that demonstrating at town halls, and asking staffers what their constituents point of view is on health care reform (or any other matter), is truly a grass roots organization, I would ask you to please think about these few facts:
The idea that the Tea Parties were organized by the common people, is false. In fact they were organized by the likes of Steve Forbs (ya the billionaire, not quite part of the middle or lower classes) and Dick Army a former house GOP leader. I do believe that some concerned citizens were informed about these Tea Parties by people they knew and/or trusted, and did not believe them to be something thought up by a bunch of big wigs living of of our struggles. I would never wish to smother someones right to free speech, but please dont think that this is a grass routs movement!, it was orchestrated from the top.
But now, as I am working to find independent sources to verify my claims, I am left to ponder: Can I name any grass roots campaign of any sort that's motivation did not come from a few selective individuals in places of power(liberal or conservative)? I am pretty sure that Obama's campaign was organized by his staffers, or supporters(who are in that same elite echelon as our friends Dick and Steve that I mentioned earlier). As I write this I have come to believe that really, there are very few grass roots movements, and that I have most likely never seen any in my short lifetime.
Well this has been quite the ramble and has taken me way to long to write. I wish to say, that I thoroughly enjoy discussing, and having friendly conversations about politics, and personal philosophical/religious beliefs. I'm not here to impose my belief set, just to exercise my rights to the 1st Amendment.
If you wish to open a dialogue in a different setting to discuss these topics and more further, contact my new email @ pearljam23@gmail.com
Have a good one Folks
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By NH - 08/09/2009 - 10:31 pmAnd of course you are wrong.
NH Tea Party Coalition is not paid for or run by any outside force.
On the other hand, you have SEIU/ACORN/OFA/DNC, all powered by Soros and other dirtry communist 'foundation' money from outside the country with nefarious interests.
There are thousands of ads asking people to sign up for these PAID JOBS.
There is a great article on the tea party website about that... look it up won't you?
So far no one can show any proof that the thousands of people in our NH Tea Party movement are paid by anyone. Because they aren't! LOL
And unfortunately, the NH GOP is mum on this, not one word to our formidable group.
They are simply the majority who know this isn't about health care, but about controlling our lives in a managed society of Obama's Orwellian dreams.
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My Opinion
By Ranger - 08/08/2009 - 10:44 amThe more the libs make an issue out of this, the better. It shines a VERY bright light on what "free speech" is and is not. It's free speech when it supports their cause. It's considered a conservative aganda when people gather to speak out. The citizens speaking out are not conservatives. They are residents of this state, citizens of this country who are saying NO!!!! Enough is enough. The people have the power, NOT our elected officials.
I hope the media continues to cover this -I hope every American sees this administration for what it is. Power hungry, freedom blockers who hide behind their liberal media for support. This country is in a bad place. Something needs to be done -FAST!
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government runs medicare
By Gary Dickinson - 08/08/2009 - 6:36 amEveryone likes medicare Because it is a well run program. It doesn't rip people off the way drug companies and insurance companies do it doesn't cancel people that are to sick to work
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Bankruptcy is well run?
By NH - 08/09/2009 - 10:32 pmI guess that's what you think if you're a liberal ?
I guess bankruptcy, and spending more to prevent bankruptcy as our stupidest ever VP said, is the norm now.
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THROW SHAHEEN OUT OF OFFICE
By MOMwithAbrain - 08/07/2009 - 7:24 pmDear Ms. Shaheen,
I hope you enjoyed your stay in Wash. D.C. on MY DIME. I see that you wont be happy until I have NO DIMES left. So therefor I'm obligated to do my best to make sure you are NOT re-elected. I can assure you I will be working overtime for YOUR opponent along with those running against Shea-Porter and Hodes.
Clearly spending us into oblivion is all you people care about.
Sincerely,
Those with Brains in NH
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Yeah
By feduptohere - 08/08/2009 - 2:37 pmYOU GO GIRL!!!I'm jumpin on that wagon too!
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Don't blame
By Tim - 08/07/2009 - 6:58 pmthe liberals for being confused,they have never seen real grassroots where free people speak their minds!
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Disrupt?
By armyvet - 08/07/2009 - 6:49 pmVideo proof of Obama''s thugs, ACORN and SEIU not disrupting the protesters but attacking them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kxaGfClPws
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Hampstead Town Hall Meeting
By colleeninhampstead - 08/07/2009 - 4:20 pmI work for the Town of Hampstead and was present in the Selectman's meeting room on Thursday when Jeanne Shaheen's staff representatives were there to answer questions of the residents. There were many residents of Hampstead there to express their own concerns and yes the concerns were about their healthcare. Anyone who wanted to speak to the staffers, stood in line and individually spoke to them. No one blocked access to these staffers at all. In fact, when it was my turn, the staffer could not give me any information on Shaheen's position on issues and handed me a form letter to fill out and assured me that it would get to the Senator.
I asked the Staffer if Jeanne Shaheen had read the healthcare proposal/bill, and they stated that there is no proposal or bill to read. But if I had any questions about Social Security, or Veterans' issues, that they could help me.
Surprisingly, there was no mention of several people picketing on the Town Hall front lawn who were in support of the Obama Healthcare proposal. I saw two men park their car with Massachusetts plates in the Town Hall parking lot, and then join the Obama supporters. They had Obama t-shirts on.
It is pretty obvious that the Senator does not want to hear our concerns about healthcare unless we support her stand on it. She forgot that she was voted in by the people and works for us! She can just as easily be voted out!!
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Thank You Colleen!
By NH - 08/09/2009 - 10:37 pmShaheen's presser is a complete turnaround of the truth.
No one was intimidated. Why would we want to intimidate people looking for help?
Truth is, the people there looking for help were US, and we didn't get it!
We want our 3 chicken reps to schedule REAL town hall meetings and FACE THEIR CONSTITUENTS which they will NOT DO.
We spent all of 10 minutes in there, big deal.
Most of the time outside, standing opposite a few paid workers from Mass... you know the organized mob?
Whoever wrote that presser for Shaheen ought to be arrested for being liar.
Notice she had to use the words NH Constituents when referring to the non-existent people who were supposedly blocked? And she referred to us, her REAL constituents, as protesters!
What audacity!
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protesters or community organizers?
By LIAMD2 - 08/07/2009 - 4:19 pmI think conservative folks, like myself, are just trying to be like Obama - we're just organizing against "the man".
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Why, are the folks so surprised there
By nuffy - 08/07/2009 - 3:06 pmWhy, are the folks so surprised there
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Why is it that obama gets
By NH_Native - 08/07/2009 - 2:31 pmWhy is it that obama gets mad when the community organizes. Thats what he did for many years....why that was his only qualification for being our leader, remember?? Palin had no quals...she was only a governor
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Thank You
By NH - 08/07/2009 - 12:37 pmFirst, we did not 'disrupt' anything, as we were the main attraction. Please do not make it as if there were any supporters there in any great numbers because there weren't. It was not a town hall meeting, but it was AT a town hall..the title should have read, "Protesters shout at staffers at NH town halls".
I would actually like to commend Ms. Dorgan on this piece which is surprisingly fair for the CM because it exposes a couple of things...
- These staffers have no idea what to tell constituents. In Hampstead on Wednesday, the staffers even went so far as to say 'there is no bill'. No wonder the crowd went ballistic! But Shaheen's presser is wrong -- NO ONE was blocked from seeing anyone in either place. The crowd might have yelled for a few minutes but then they went outside. There were really no supporters there. Most of the time the opponents stood and held signs along the road.
- I resent how staffers automatically assumed these people were not from NH or Grafton. All the Pelosi propaganda talking points are untrue --- there is no one fueling, bussing or paying for this movement. WE ARE CONSTITUENTS not just protesters as Shaheen characterized us. (Unlike the unions who are paid out of state SEIU/ACORN workers, some illegals, who come here and stand with signs)
- NH TPC did NOT tell anyone Shaheen would be there, but the OFA did... see the actual email on the Tea Party website that was captured.
The purpose of these 'office hours' is to 'get help'. They are apparently not interested in helping those of us who do NOT want Obamacare.
Repeat: the point of these protests which will continue are to ask for REAL face to face meetings not phony conference calls, and for our Reps to admit that we are in the MAJORITY and we do not want this dangerous power grab by the government to occur and to vote accordingly.
Everyone should join us and give their time... or end up on the wrong side of some health czar who will decide whether you live or die!
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Telephone Meeting
By feduptohere - 08/07/2009 - 11:30 amI recieved a call last night around 6:45, It was Shaheen's office. they were holding a sort of town hall telephone question & answer session, Why did they call my phone? because I have written and phoned her office several time over the past few months to state my grievences.Only to recieve a standard Auto response. I listened as callers from around the state asked their questions and voiced their concernes, ALL the callers were polite and asked legitimate questions, Many callers stated that they were against a public option. Ms Shaheen made it very clear last night that she supported a public option,in spite of the concerns of the puplic, She feels the need to give the insurance companies compition! She also talked about making a deal with a (one)drug Co,to make perscriptions more affordable.ALL the liberal talking points were in play on every question,some I agreed with, but most I did'nt,but I listened just the same. I Finally after about 40 minutes or so, got to the point where it was my turn to ask a question, a voice came on and said what is your name & town and what is your question or comment,; I have many questions so I tried to get them all in at once. Why dont you let insurance companies cross state lines so that the person in say NH, could get a policy from say Oregon, that would better suit their needs, Give people that purchase health insurance a tax credit, This would give Insurance companies true compitition, rather than a government takeover, My second question, Why is it fair to tax or penalize a small businessman with a few employees who cant even provide healthcare for themselves,let alone their employees, they will not only pay a fine for not insuring the employees but a fine for not having your own coverage. (A Double Zap)is that FAIR? and lastly,Are you aware Ms Shaheen that in HB3200 there is a provision that allows the government or any burocratic agency to acess your banking information in REAL TIME in order to extract payments. The lady said thank you for your question, please hold for the Senator, as I listened for my prompt, I heard the senator thanking everyone for participating, but she had to wrap up and would take all suggestions into consideration, and if she couldnt take your question please leave a message.GEE it left me wondering would she had taken 1 more question if it was more of a softball? I was disapointed to say the least. I wanted her to hear MY concerns in MY voice,
The people that are showing up at these town hall meetings and at the offices of our reps are frustrated citizens that are not being heard, being responded to by standard Auto reply letters or are being dismissed as the fringe,and just plain ol ignored. but these elected officials know that this is an very unpopular program they are trying to ram through. And Yes the polititions are becoming intimidaded by their own constituants, what does that tell you!
Conservatives protesting!!! who ever heard of such a thing? that is usually the Liberals area of expertise. now the shoe is on the other foot, and the libs are just beside themself,¬ sure how to handle it. So they accuse them of being paid protesters, sent by greedy insurance companies, and republican polititions. I Know that old woman in one of those town hall meetings sure looked like a trouble making thug! YES THEY ARE SHOUTING, sometimes you have to shout in order to be heard. (any parent should be able to relate to that!)I think they are finally starting to hear us , but the bigger question is will they finally listen? I certainly would'nt bet on it!
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Telephone meetings are useless
By NH - 08/07/2009 - 12:58 pmThese teleconferences are useless.. it's just a way to cook the books and avoid real questions and certainly avoid people face to face.
We need to vote these people out if they DARE to allow this Obamacare and cap and trade bill through.
It will devastate America as we know it, which his their purpose and intent.
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bunch of nonsense
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 10:28 amThis is not free speech, this is disrupting free speech. If people want to organize to come have a dialogue and present their views, that is the American way. Shouting down speakers and making everyone miserable is childish and pathetic, the opposite of what a true exercise of citizenship should be. I also find the "grassroots" nature of these protests to be highly questionable.
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I remember your outrage
By wayneinnh - 08/07/2009 - 12:43 pmwhen Ann Coulter was attacked during a speech on campus. Or the shoutdown of Don Feder at the bastion of free speech, UMass Amherst.
Please, save your fake outrage.
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Mon Dieux
By C. dog e. doGy - 08/07/2009 - 2:19 pmWayne -
Please, when speaking with a Lib, deploy french vernacular as they will more readily understand you when you do so. It's "faux outrage". Otherwise, nice revelation of more hypocrisy.
- C. dog (Nom de plume)
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Excuse me
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 4:12 pmGet off your high horse, dog. These people are free to protest, but they should not pretend that a) these protests are not largely being organized by wealthy people who benefit directly from the current system and b) that they are actually knowledgable about health care or any other issue. They are pawns, and like pawns they will be left to the side of the board as soon as the chessmasters are done with them.
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Show me proof, please?
By NH - 08/09/2009 - 10:46 pmYou said, "largely being organized by wealthy people who benefit directly from the current system"
So where is your proof? How much am I being paid? Where is the record of this?
You haven't got one pathetic shred of evidence that this is true.
Rich my butt! I used my grocery money to buy sign making materials.
And it's interesting that AARP insurance made the MOST money of any company on health industry!
So methinks it's you who doesn't know what you are talking about.
I would rather the medical industry be based on competition, that is why American contributes the most to innovations and we have the best technology first here.
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Don't forget what's behind door #3, Mikey
By C. dog e. doGy - 08/07/2009 - 8:21 pmFreedom. You know, that situation in which people decide for themselves how to live their lives, sans political sheopleherders and their staffs. There are some of us out here, and seems like there are more about ready to join. I recall strolling into a tea party to see what's what, and lo and behold, the vast majority I parlayed with do so of their own accord. Sure, there were a few Republicans trying to catch lightning in a ballot, but they were riding the train, not drivin' it. C'est terrible, eh Mikey?
Welcome newcomers. Remember, cash is king, plus you can get a discount if you use the secret handshake.
- C. dog shakes lots of hands
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They are also free to be pawns
By Michael57 - 08/08/2009 - 10:29 amThat's a problem, wouldn't you agree?
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Pawns
By NH - 08/09/2009 - 10:41 pmObama and his blind followers are pawns to the globalists who want to destroy this country...this is why the Dems are bought and paid for by communist George Soros.
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Oui.
By C. dog e. doGy - 08/09/2009 - 9:54 amOne should always play their own game. "Jeux sans Fronti
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Nothing was disrupted because nothing was going on!
By NH - 08/07/2009 - 12:39 pmYou are wrong again. Nothing was disrupted.
We were the main attraction there, and it was we who were dismissed.
There was 10 minutes max of shouting before all went out side. Big deal.
NO ONE WAS PREVENTED FROM TALKING OR SPEAKING WITH STAFFERS.
Can't you get it that you are in the minority?
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yeah, right
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 4:10 pmAre you referring to the minority that voted for Obama or to the 75% of the American people who want health care reform?
Math is hard.
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Every poll shows...
By NH - 08/09/2009 - 10:42 pmEvery poll, even from liberal think tanks, show that most Americans DO NOT want Canadian or British health care where people are left to die.
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Math IS hard for a spoon fed liberal
By sailmaker - 08/08/2009 - 9:00 amIt is obvious by your statement that math IS hard for you.... because.... there is not a single scrap of paper anywhere that shows support for obecare at 75%.
You are just another spoon fed liberal using the same spoon fed democrat liberal tactics of LIE CHEAT & REPEAT
Hows that hopey changey thing working for you - still have your Obama bumper sticker? In just 6 short months the Democrats have radically divided the nation more than anyone at anytime and that is their legacy.
Obe is a one and out president and then we restore the nation to the responsible republicans to re-build it. Good by to Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid too. There is no way you radically change everything .... then tax us to support your nirvana..... and then expect to be around long.
Read the old fable of the tortoice and the hare
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Did You
By armyvet - 08/07/2009 - 10:42 amDid you feel the same way back in the Vietnam Era? When the same crew that is now moaning and groaning about protests by those that disagree with Obama and his CZAR's. That make us vets feel childish and pathetic. proof that hey indeed are the Grassroots of protesting.
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Medicare!!!
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 10:29 am"Dagnabbit, I'm 86 years old, and I remember back when a man was a man and women were dang glad of it!!! All I can say is, I'm happy with my consarned Medicare the way it is!!!! Government messes everything up! You tell them politicians with their fool government health care ideas to keep their hands off my Medicare!!!!!"
That's what a lot of the quality protests at these events sound like.
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This IS grass roots.
By wayneinnh - 08/07/2009 - 8:16 amUnlike the AFL-CIO directive rallying it's members, and the DNC memo feeding talking points to its sheep, what we have are real people who are really upset with what is happening to our country. It started with the tea parties last April and is continuing with the health care monstrosity now. These are not paid staffers or rent a mobs, these are ordinary people.
The left has no idea how to handle real grassroots protest. Despite all the demonization and name calling, this is steamrolling along. Despite what Nancy Pelosi says, the group of residents protesting in Grafton didn't look like a bunch of Swastika wearing Nazis to me. This scary group of crazed browshirts in Hampstead sure don't look like the insurance industry shills. No, these are just ordinary people exercising their right to redress the government of grievances.
We will not be silenced.
The Organizer-in-Chief has now taken to compiling an enemies list. The address is flag@whitehouse.gov for those of you who are interested in turning me in.
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Thanks for the Enemy's Enemies List address, Wayne!
By C. dog e. doGy - 08/07/2009 - 2:09 pmI can think of all sorts of people who belong on it, starting with our legislatures, then working on down through the layers and layers of bureaucrats and minions. Should be quite a long, long, list. Remember to check it twice before hitting the send button.
I wonder if such lists ring a familiar bell to the hippy protesters of yore. Or do they have their hearing aides turned off, their minds too addled with TCH, and their bodies so ravaged by time that they "need" BozO-Care to tuck them in at night.
- C. dog loves making lists, lots and lots of lists
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Good post!
By NH - 08/07/2009 - 11:54 amNotice that one supporter had to have her talking points written down?
Not so with the opposition who knows that Obamacare is a death sentence, especially if you are over 60.
NH Tea Party -- No talking points, just want our Reps to know we are in the majority and we want them to vote a such!
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Now the goons are involved
By wayneinnh - 08/07/2009 - 12:07 pmWe don't need to write down our talking points because we believe in what we are doing.
Tea party protests across the nation on April 15th with hundreds of thousands of people and not one report of violence. Contrast that with this SEIU member beating on an Obamacare opponent. Four thugs beat on a man for passing out "Don't Tread On Me" flags. Expect this to get worse now that Jim Sweeney of the AFL-CIO has sent out the marching orders.
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this is your glorious moment
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 10:31 amTo the barricades! I bet you've been waiting for this moment all your life. I hope the "revolution" doesn't disappoint you.
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Not Only
By armyvet - 08/07/2009 - 10:49 amNot only a revolution but a revelation to turn our country back to God. God will indeed bless America when America turns back to God.
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Amen
By wayneinnh - 08/07/2009 - 11:28 am2 Chronicles 7:14 (NIV)
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
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Honestly
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 4:08 pmI wish you bible-thumpers would pay closer heed to your own personal salvation and stop finding the Apocalypse between the lines of every boring bill now making the rounds in Washington. All this religiosity is getting tiresome. I mean it. Keep your religion to yourself.
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Keep
By armyvet - 08/07/2009 - 6:45 pmKeep your non-religion to yourself.
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Who says I am non-religious?
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 6:53 pmThat's part of my point. You have no idea and you won't have any idea, unless the topic changes from politics to theology. And even then you might not. People who wear their religion on their sleeves are often the most immoral people--in my experience--because they are covering up something about their true natures.
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Wish in one hand
By wayneinnh - 08/07/2009 - 5:24 pmand crap in the other. See which one fills up first.
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funny
By Michael57 - 08/07/2009 - 6:07 pmNow we see how truly religious you are. Phony.
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Merde!
By C. dog e. doGy - 08/07/2009 - 8:28 pmI don't think God or doG gives a crap about "crap".
- C. dog
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An apololgy
By wayneinnh - 08/07/2009 - 7:08 pmIn a moment of weakness, I let that fly out.
I apologize.
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Apology accepted.
By Michael57 - 08/08/2009 - 10:17 amNo problem, I've said worse (though not at cmonitor.com!).
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Hypocracy - Part 3
By Jirdex77 - 08/07/2009 - 8:06 amMaybe ACORN can help!
Mutatis mutandis
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It boils down to this...
By itsmyopinion - 08/07/2009 - 8:05 amI can't tell you how many times I hear people say "If you don't vote, you can't complain."
I can't tell you how many times I hear people say- "What's the point? No one listens!"
And they would be correct.
Millions of people contacted their Congressman and Reps and anyone they could get a hold of to voice their opnions on the first farce of a "stimulus package".
Millions said no to selling our country out to China.
The people we voted into office didn't listen to us.
They continue not to listen to us and continue to do what they want to do in order to keep their politican friends happy.
Well, now the people are getting louder and I say it's about time.
We don't want or need socialist medicine. It doesn't work in other countries (that's why they come here for healthcare) and it isn't going to work here.
The government is in our lives enough already. I don't want them to tell me that someone in my family "is not worth fixing".
You can bash whomever you like here, but remember BOTH parties are at fault for this.
I just can't understand why people think this prez is doing such a great job. He has done nothing to improve this country. He has given billions to people who don't need it and saddled the everyday working class with the bill. The people have had enough.
I don't listen to talk radio, it's a waste of my time. I READ. I read the bills and proposals that are being presented. I think some of you hear need to read and stop doing what you are accusing everyone else of doing- listening to the media.
ALL politicians lie.
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Totol Hypocracy, Part II
By R. St.Lawrence - 08/07/2009 - 7:46 amBarnum sent out an e-mail to his groupies and labor union members from the OVAL OFFICE, telling them to organize counter protests. He sets up "snitch" websites so neighbors can turn in neighbors who speak against his idiocy.
Thses people know what they're protesting against. You zombies just don't recognize your own tactics when they come back at you. Stand by, because you ain't seen nothin' yet!
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