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Town hall incites outside rally plans

Many in opposition don't try for tickets
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President Obama will come to Portsmouth this afternoon to make his case for a major overhaul to the American health insurance system. But the show starts long before Obama touches down: Groups of supporters and opponents alike have announced plans to make their case outside, with rallies announced all morning long.

Obama's visit comes after several Democratic senators and representatives across the nation have faced shouting crowds and angry questioners this month during health care "town hall" meetings, a trend that Democratic groups denounce as organized by special-interest groups such as insurers (while opposition protesters, in turn, denounce the pro-health insurance reform counter-protesters as spurred by big unions).

According to White House Spokeswoman Kate Bedingfield, the White House distributed tickets randomly among those who signed up online to request them. The Obama town hall takes place at Portsmouth High School at 1 p.m. today.

Nonetheless, several major New Hampshire efforts involved in recent health care protests have urged their members to skip the event and instead rally outside. Several conservative activists interviewed yesterday said they hadn't requested tickets, either because they want to rally outdoors or because they didn't think doing so was worth the hassle. Online, several opponents of Obama's plan have said they believed ticket recipients would be hand-picked, not random as the White House claims.

For his part, New Hampshire Democratic Party Chairman Ray Buckley beamed confidence over the phone yesterday that the protesters are outnumbered, calling them a "couple dozen folks in a state of a million-two that are intent on being disruptive," he said. "This is amazing stuff that's happening. But it is not in any way indicative of the average person here in New Hampshire or anywhere in America."

In New Hampshire, the biggest health care protests to date have been somewhat random, occurring at ordinary constituent meetings held by staffers for Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, including one in Grafton last week that, according to videos posted online and those who were there, attracted several dozen protesters.

Obama has yet to release a complete blueprint for his own health care reform plan, instead laying out principles and allowing lawmakers in the House and Senate to hammer out their own proposals. He has broadly called for a plan that would allow Americans to keep their current health care plans or choose a "public option" while doing away with insurance restrictions for those with pre-existing conditions and encouraging more preventive care.

Tomorrow's event will draw a lively crew of folks both for and against the Obama health insurance overhaul. Unions urged members to turn out, and New Hampshire AFL-CIO President Mark McKenzie was slotted to headline a 9:30 a.m. rally. The state's largest union, the State Employees' Association, urged members to show up as early as 9 a.m.

The New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition, an assortment of groups involved in the state's "Tax Day" rallies this spring, sent followers an e-mail urging them to attend a rally outside the high school or along the route Obama will drive and noting that protesters likely won't be able to bring signs into the event.

The Free State Project, the group that urges libertarians from across the nation to move to the Granite State, directed followers to a Facebook page urging a protest of "government takeover of your healthcare" starting at 11 a.m. And the New Hampshire Advantage Coalition, a conservative group that has backed municipal tax caps in several cities, instructed protesters to arrive as early as 9 a.m., calling its followers those "concerned about losing their private healthcare to government bureaucracy and Congressional political favors." (next page »)

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I'd like to know...

"The New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition, an assortment of groups involved in the state's "Tax Day" rallies this spring, sent followers an e-mail urging them to attend a rally outside the high school or along the route Obama will drive and noting that protesters likely won't be able to bring signs into the event."

THIS WAS A PRIVATE EMAIL. How did YOU get hold of it?

NH's picture

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil

These comments (especially the 'Nazi Socialism' comment) are so embarrassingly uneducated and silly that I despair that there is any hope for level headed people to prevail.

So in reading these comments I see so many who deny 40 MILLION of their fellow citizens the right to LIFE. That's right LIFE. A public health option is just that - AN OPTION - for those who the private insurance companies WILL NOT allow to have health care coverage.

Where the insurance companies see no profit, there is no coverage. So when one of OUR FELLOW CITIZENS has no coverage, they may not see a doctor to determine their illness until it becomes so serious that they are compelled to go to the emergency room.

This is your idea of a free country? It's shameful. I have never been more disgusted with the right leaning politicians in my life. There is nothing here that would compel me or any moderate to vote Republican.

I've never seen so many foaming at the mouth over something they know so little about. This has all the hallmarks of a lynch mob.

As for those of you who consider yourselves logical, level headed, moderate and are willing to study the facts before you profess an opinion:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."

nothingforgranted's picture

deny 40 MILLION of their fellow citizens

This is a lie. How do I report this again to the White House?

Mr. St. Cyr

kenstcyr's picture

I think she means...

...40 million future citizens - once Obama and the lunatics in Congress give amnesty to illegal immigrants and start replacing border patrol agents with "welcome signs".

LIAMD2's picture

Oodles of noodles, Pasta gal

You forgot about the other 3 - 4 billion without medical insurance. What are you going to do about them? Regarding freedom, how does pulling a loaded gun on someone to compel them to do something you want them to do qualify? Isn't this how the real mob operates?
- C. dog stops at nothing in the name of freedom

C. dog e. doGy's picture

re: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil

The poster is right on here. Only in America can a significant portion of the working middle class buy into a philosophy of corporatism and thus spend all of their energy fighting against their own self interests, in a misguided belief that they will always be employed, never want for affordable access to health care, and that anyone not also blessed are merely vermin to be kicked to the curb. They do this because deep down in their hearts they are selfish, greedy, and small-minded, believing all the while that one of their scratch tickets will turn up a winner and allow them entry into the ownership class to which they happily grovel until they die.

MilitantAgnostic's picture

Deja Vu All Over Agaian?

The circumstances surrounding Obama's pouplarity and the marketing campaign that got him into office seem amazingly similar to the French Revolution.

Obama is Robespierre.
The irrationally left-dominated Congress is the "Committee for Public Safety".
Obama supportersare the frenzied "off with their heads" peasant mobs to whom reason has no appeal.
George Bush has the King Louis the XVI role.

Insanity and the "reign of terror" ensued, destroying the contry and its economy. Now, who gets to play Napoleon? Pelosi?

Mutatis mutandis

Jirdex77's picture

Obama Has Failed

Rasmussen poll - 57% opposed to ObamaCare, only 32% in favor.

We don't want your socialized medicine, Obama, and we don't support you anymore. Shut up and go away.

NoNoNobama's picture

He does need to resign

He is a lying conniving rank amateur and it's obvious that the Rockefellers and George Soros are controlling him and he's trying to create the 'managed society' of the future that the two dream of.

THIS MAN IS HIGHLY DANGEROUS.

NH's picture

From Rasmussen

... 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.

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wayneinnh's picture

The right to protest has its limits

If the folks that had concerns about the pending healthcare reform legislation acted like adults and we able to give us their solutions and ideas about healthcare reform, I am absolutely sure that all of us - left, right and center - would listen.

But when the debate has been highjacked by groups and individuals who propose no solutions other than creating fear and mayhem, level-headed people cannot stand by and say nothing.

For instance, yesterday I had the "pleasure" of receiving a full color glossy pamphlet from two indivdiuals outside of the Charles River T-station in Boston (the T station which is directly in front of Massachusetts General Hospital).

And what was on the handout?

It was a picture of our president with the words - "Obama's Nazi Plan for Health Care."

So don't tell me that the political right and the Republican Party want to work on healthcare reform.

Because shouting down speakers or using swastikas at town hall meetings, having Republican Party "leadership" lying to you saying that healthcare reform will lead to euthanasia for our elderly and unborn, or passing out glossy obscenities in front of a hospital to a people that are likely going there to receive treatment for an illness or even to visit a sick relative does not portray responsible behavior.

Instead, it shows that the only "solutions" the folks on the political right want have nothing to do with helping the Joe or Jane on the street.

And if you need more convicing of the intentions from the politcial right try reading and viewing the remarks from the Republican Party "leaders" - the Boehners, Limbaughs, Hannitys, etc, etc and the subsequent silence from the so-called "level-headed" in their party - the McCains, Collins, Lugars, etc, etc.

Also read some of the outlandish remarks from their followers on this board - remarks that have little to do with reality and have only one purpose in mind - to inflame those who are woefully misinformed and have nothing constructive to offer in one of the most important areas of our life - our health.

So for those level-headed thinkers out there - keep in mind the tactics employed by the Republican Party and its adherents and remember their unproductive and divisive tactics when you are alone in the voting booth next year!

nashua-mike's picture

YOU ARE A JOKE

The Republican Party had no part in this so why do you give them credit?
I suppose it's frustrating for you Alinsky-ites not to have a target to make fun of.

This movement HAS NO HEAD, it just is growing and growing.

After we get rid of the Obama presidency and his utopian nightmare control freaks, we will get rid of the FED and and the rest of the crooks.

NH's picture

Obama's Catastrophic Failures

Mike: when voters go out next year, they will have in mind the catastrophic failures - among them the millions of lost jobs, trillions in new debt - of Obama.

NoNoNobama's picture

It does have limits

Right where the SEIU starts beating people into submission at the direction of the white house. Remember Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina's advice: "If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard". Apparently the SEIU took this as a call to return to its heyday of thuggery.

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wayneinnh's picture

Actually Hitler was a socialist and instituted Socialized Med.

Actually Hitler was a Socialist and instituted Socialized Medicine to control the populace. In fact Nazi is derived from the term Socialist.

Nazism, officially in German as National Socialism[1][2][3][4] (German: Nationalsozialismus), refers to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers

Joshtiffany's picture

I agree...

People do not understand that the word NAZI is short for nationalisation.

This is what Obama is trying to do, so it's an appropriate title.

NH's picture

Limits?

Okay, Nashua-Mike, what limits to protest do you propose; I don't think you've answered your subject line?

Victor Laszlo's picture

And don't expect him to either!

Because the only "limits" he could come up with when pressed would be "it's ok for liberals but you've got to watch those evil conservatives" or words to that effect.

Hunter Dan's picture

Mr Buckley

For his part, New Hampshire Democratic Party Chairman Ray Buckley beamed confidence over the phone yesterday that the protesters are outnumbered, calling them a "couple dozen folks in a state of a million-two that are intent on being disruptive," he said. "This is amazing stuff that's happening. But it is not in any way indicative of the average person here in New Hampshire or anywhere in America."

Do you think the people of NH have no brain and cannot think for themselves? This country was founded on the freedom and right to voice your opinion. Is this what our troops fight for?
My husband and I are mid 50 working class people. We are tired of having this stuff shoved down or throat. Does'nt matter the party affiliation.
Health care costs does need be to under control. But the government to control it and tell us what we can and cannot do? This is not a socialist government.

We are not being disruptive? We are voicing or opinion and have a right to do so.

Live free or die!

nanners's picture

Couple Dozen?

Methinks Buckles the Clown, a high school dropout, flunked math!

I think we were like 3,000 that day... not a couple dozen.

He nearly messed his pants when he saw them marching down to the high school en masse.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, he is the most comical character.

NH's picture

The real bill

Far to many protesters demand to know what is going on and what is in the bill. Rather than going by what piece of information or misinformation someone wants to send along please read the bill itself.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

cavman35's picture

Some like it hot, some like it totally tannic

Remember kids -
When making tea this afternoon, seep, and seep, until you make a real, strong, brew with lots of foam on top.
- C. dog just loves a Darjeeling black tea to get him up and going in the morning

C. dog e. doGy's picture

Wait

Wait and see Buckley

New Hampshire Democratic Party Chairman Ray Buckley beamed confidence over the phone yesterday that the protesters are outnumbered, calling them a "couple dozen folks in a state of a million-two that are intent on being disruptive,"

Sure hope he does not supply arms to the purple shirts(SEIU) and the brown shirts (ACORN) and don't beat up the protesters that are using their freedom of speech like i've seen them do on many utube videos and on news casts. If you are against Obama's plan to turn our country into a Socialist Country make sure you seal his Teleprompter so he will not know what to say....lol

armyvet's picture

Purple Uprising

The purple shirts are already preparing for this event, This is a part of an email sent out...

"President Obama will be in New Hampshire
tomorrow, Tuesday, August 11th
to speak about his health care reform proposals.

Please join us at the Portsmouth Park and Ride
starting at 9:00 a.m.

We will have shuttle vans to the President's "Town Hall Meeting" site
where we will show our support for
lasting, quality, health care reform.

New Hampshire Park and Ride Lot
185 Grafton Drive
on NH Route 33, directly off I-95 Exit 3A
Portsmouth, NH 03801

Box lunches will be provided. Please RSVP to
SEA Governmental Relations Coordinator Brian Hawkins
at 271-3411 x120 or bhawkins@seiu1984.org"

This is where my FORCED PAID DUES are going to.

DZ's picture

MINE TOO

I'm in the AFL-CIO and I freakin' resent they spend MY MONEY, forced from me, on these communist people! It's called 'compelled speech' and it's against the law.

Those few hundred supporters were bussed in from NY, given printed signs, free tshirts, and boxed lunches.
Some were paid $15/hr.

A producer and myself heard them asking some kids to wear the shirts for a few hours for MONEY!!!

From now on we can call Obama "President Astroturf".

His hired thugs like to intimidate people as they did at the polls.

NH's picture

They

They were there alright. Mostly from out of state. I saw at least 3 buses two with Mass. plates and one with Vermont plates on them. Oh well, we all know our state is being invaded by the left wing in the fire crew. It's time to take our state back and save our state and country.

armyvet's picture

Democracy

Protesting is a form of voicing an opinion, time-honored in this nation, and the core of freedom. It is sometimes the fact that the loudest protesters are misinformed, which is something that politicians have to deal with as much as celebrities have to deal with papparazzi. It is also often true that opposing groups and politicians spread misinformation for their own ends. The fact is that Republicans have chosen helath care reform as the battleground on which to defeat Obama; and they attempt to inflate the importance of the issue in an effort to drive him from office in 2012, using hand-picked and/or cooperative media (Fox "News"?) to trumpet that a failure to pass health care reform signals the failure of Obama's presidency. (This necessarily ignores all the parts of the recovery package that are working.) I recently received from a dear friend an e-mail copy of one of the protest organization's talking points, with references to passages in the proposed health care bill. My friend was following the party line of trying to jolt me into action by review of the dire consequences of this terrible law. However, upon review of the bill, it was clear that the frightening interpretations of the individual passages in the bill were just plain wrong. I contacted my friend and suggested that he actually read the passages cited, and compare them to the scary interpretations. He sheepishly wrote back and said his wife had already done that, and berated him for jumping at the conspiratorial interpretations. Please people, talk about this, but LISTEN, too. That is democracy --- sharing ideas and learning from each other, THEN making decisions.

Veritas's picture

Yeah, OK

...for some reason, I don't believe a single word you typed. Strikes me more as one of the disinformation emails you claim to be against.

NoNoNobama's picture

Sharing, and Caring - The American Way!

Actually, it's supposed to be a constitutional republic, but who's paying attention these days, anyway. Remember, the next time you and your wife are in a bar late at night and there's four ne'er-do-wells eying you over, how great democracy is.
- C. dog prefers choosing his doggy-care package all by himself

C. dog e. doGy's picture

Nice going Monitor

Why am I not surprised that you used the word "incites" in your headline??? Hmmmm . . . now when I hear the word "incite" what is the next word that usually follows it . . . R-I-O-T!

You won't let go of your hatred of these folks. Could they be a bit more polite in stating their views - ABSOLUTELY. But are they part of a vast right-wing conspiracy - NO!

And even if they were - SO WHAT?

If these tactics are good enough for ACORN, Code Pink, Greenpeace, ELF, ALF, PETA, NARAL and Cindy Sheehan - shouldn't the OTHER side be allowed to use them too?

Hunter Dan's picture

Dictionaries for "Educators"

As has become more and more common during recent weeks, this person's comments have become more hysterical and less worth reading or even noticing.

I might point out, however, that in his continuing zeal to feed his outrage by what he (sloppily) reads in the Monitor, he repeatedly finds bias and "hatred" where none exists. For example, this is what Webster's New World Dictionary, 4th Ed., says about the word "incite": "incite implies an urging or stimulating to action, either in a favorable or unfavorable sense [incited to achievement by rivalry."

So a headline using the word "incite" is a rather weak reed for this guy's conclusions. The conclusions are certainly not based on reason. There was a time when I would have expected more from a person who trumpets his status as an "educator."

Tommy Hambledon's picture

Tommy One-tone smashes gong once again!

You and your ilk keep serving up delicious deserts of self-mockery for the rest of us to enjoy: "using the word 'incite' is a rather weak reed for this guy's conclusions." Oh really, Tommy. Maybe if he got himself some of them strong reeds, he could build you one of them crutches so you would have a woody stem to stand on. And from this self-important perch, perhaps you could then scan across the landscape of carefully chosen words by newspaper opinionators to divine the subtle nuances of their intended meaning. In this case, it wasn't even so subtle, but then again, most liberals need to be beaten upon the head via rote exercise before they "get" something.
- C. dog just loves bashin' liberals, for both sport and empty calories

C. dog e. doGy's picture

Dictionary for "Tommy"

Dictionary. com

verb (used with object), -cit?ed, -cit?ing.
to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action: to incite a crowd to riot.

Notice the word RIOT Tommy.

DIRTY HARRY's picture

Well Said

The irony of the community organizer in chief demonizing members of the community who organize is quite delicious, isn't it?

NoNoNobama's picture

Detention for Dan

Please, Dan, these tactics are reserved for the limousine liberals and their fawning affectionados. Most importantly, they are expressly forbidden for those uppity conservatives, republicans, pro-freedom splinter groups, and the like. Read the Daily Kos manifesto, and all will become crystal .... clear.
- C. dog

C. dog e. doGy's picture

I am still waiting for my $100k "green job" he promised

I am still waiting for my $100k "green job" he promised in the campaign. Where is it ?

Joshtiffany's picture

A time for prayer by all!

It is outragious that this wonderful idea of healthcare for all is all about murdering babies in the womb. Lets all pray thatt God intervene and not allow this conspiracy to continue the genocide to win this most importan of all, battle of life and death.

factfinder4u's picture

Dear factfactfinder4u

While I understand your obviously fervently-held position, I do wish you would check your facts first (as your screen name would imply you do!).

Such as these from the Pulitzer-Prize-winning fact checking site:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/10/sarah-pal...
and
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/07/john-boeh...

tex805's picture

'What's in it' ? or 'shouting and disruption'

Let's Respect others and discussion, not shouting and disruption.
'What's in it' ? or 'shouting and disruption', which one is the reason of slow-down ?

Part 1.

The runaway premium similar to the peak fuel price last year and left so many folks in despair insists on staying the course with the attitude 'unchanged', clearly this trend could bankrupt individual, business, and government. Now the government subsequently is tasked with these two main assignments, first, to address premium inflation, second, to expand coverage to all in urgent need.
In order to cover all and not to add to the deficit, the public option can not set the same rates of private market, rather, it needs to have the function to keep it in check in terms of inflation, too. Unfortunately, this 'unavoidable' direction is aggressively being accused by the runaway premium, citing government 'take-over' .
Under the circumstances the energy bill to determine human future and the other major issues are presently piled up, who wants to waste time making enemies ?, which also does not benefit the forthcoming election.
On the other hand, to make things worse, critics say the savings from the proposed public option is not enough to meet the revenue goal. Furthermore, on another hand, some say 'hands off' . Where do these No tax, No saving and the like intend to force this reform to go ? The conclusion by 'just-say-no' is no doubt. Ironically, the Deficit-sensitive groups have a distinctive common ground, they all have a Deficit-driven background out of question.

Part 2.

Of all choices, the best thing would be savings through efficiency. Considering the wasteful structure, the highest premium in the world (Costing over twice as much as every other county), and the most expensive part of medicare, with the prevention / wellness program in place, an American style innovation, an 'outcome'-based payment founded upon IT system may be enough to save more than 50 billions per year (500 / decade), both 'improving quality' and removing the unnecessary procedures (as pay is dependent on patient's outcome). Young folks and advocates need to explain the notion of a pay for outcome agreement to the elderly misled by the disinformation.

Part 3.

Unlike private market, this public option includes large-scale investments, these large investments still does not get the fair score, instead seem to become a source of acute conflict, even so, this common sense-based program needs to develop further as early detection goes beyond monetary value.

In short, with the heartbreaking tears in mind (Nearly 11 Million Cancer Patients Without Health Insurance), private market also needs change and should join together to complete this reform , as promised, if not, the runaway premium only has itself to blame. Job-based coverage (indirect payment), mandate code, and ample capital might be favorable to the private market. And It can be said that fair competition starts with fair market value.
Over time, supposedly, the public plan will concentrate more on basic, primary cares, and the private insurers will provide their clients with differentiated services.

Thank You !

HSR0601's picture

Testing your nature

Are you an internet cyborg like N'Abe-l, or can you actually answer simple questions?

C. dog e. doGy's picture

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