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N.H. voters must reject state income tax ban

Among the many decisions facing New Hampshire voters on Nov. 6 is a proposal to amend the state Constitution to permanently ban a personal income tax. This is a terrible idea - one that voters of all political persuasions should soundly reject.

Here are seven good reasons why:

1. The Constitution should not be amended frivolously. Amendments should address serious problems or right serious wrongs. The supporters of this amendment surely made a strong political statement by passing the proposal by super-majorities in the House and Senate. But the Constitution should not be used merely to score political points.

2. The amendment is unnecessary. If New Hampshire voters don’t want an income tax, they will elect politicians dedicated to opposing one - after all, they always have. With 424 legislators and a governor elected every two years, it’s certainly not hard for voters in this small state to get politicians’ attention - and to quickly boot them from the State House when they don’t live up to expectations.

3. The amendment is unfair to business. The proposal would ban a tax on personal income. It specifically does not undo the other sorts of income taxes already in effect - the ones politicians try hard not to talk about when touting New Hampshire’s “tax free” advantages. The existing business profits and business enterprise taxes are taxes on income. So is the interest and dividends tax. When future legislators find themselves in need of revenue, the Constitution will allow them to continue to turn to businesses’ and investors’ income; if this amendment passes, they will be prohibited from considering other sorts of income.

4. The amendment is unfair to property owners. New Hampshire’s stubbornly regressive tax system relies chiefly on local property taxes to finance much of what we want from government: good schools, police and fire protection, paving and plowing the roads, prosecuting criminals and locking them up, caring for elderly residents in decent nursing homes. And the burden on property owners has gotten worse in recent years as state government has jettisoned more responsibilities, leaving them to cities and towns, school districts and counties. An income tax ban would leave the state fewer options - guaranteeing that the pressure on property owners would continue.

5. The amendment favors the rich. When government relies chiefly on property taxes, it means that people with high incomes pay a smaller percentage of their money on taxes than those with modest salaries. A future income tax would ease the inequity; an income tax ban would enshrine it.

6. Wall Street won’t like it. The state government maintains a good bond-rating in part because of its fiscal prudence and in part because it uses a relatively small portion of its taxing ability. In other words, in a crisis there are places the state could go for more revenue. If such a big source is off the table, rating agencies might look askance.

7. Who are we to tell future generations what’s best? There is apparently little political will for an income tax in New Hampshire these days. Even if there were, both leading candidates for governor have promised to veto it. But who’s to say what future circumstances might require and future voters might support? New Hampshire has a hard enough time trying to balance the budget and treat its citizens fairly here in 2012; no need to try to solve the problems of 2062 or 2112 while we’re at it. New Hampshire’s children and grandchildren deserve the right to make their own choices, unhampered by the political winds of 2012.

The Republicans who have run the show at the State House over the past two years have made remarkable use of their enormous majorities, passing many new laws even over the veto of a Democratic governor. Next Tuesday’s election will provide a referendum on many of their budgetary and social policy ideas. If voters didn’t like what they got, they can vote for the hundreds of candidates on the ballot prepared to undo much of that agenda. And much of it could be reversed with a simple majority vote and the approval of the governor.

Amending the Constitution is another matter altogether. Amendments are neither easily approved nor easily repealed. The amendment banning an income tax addresses no crying need, rights no grievous wrong, provides no obvious benefit to the state. The wise course, the fair course, the conservative course is to leave well enough alone. Our advice to voters considering Question 1, the permanent ban on a personal income tax: Just say no.

This comment is for Take The Country Back, Millennia, Originalist, or whatever you're calling yourself these days, If you're putting your property in current use you are exempting yourself from paying our states school funding in your town (this case Barnstead). It is unfair to your neighbors unless you give them the same exemption. I'm a little surprised that it took you this long to reply to my comment. A little slow on the draw with the daylight savings time? Just curious....

John Dyer, no one is exempting themselves from anything. Everyone in your town of Canterbury with enough acreage can put land into current use. You have 4.89 acres and a nice house. Well off by any standard. Pay your fair share and stop complaining.

LOL, have you seen the house? Nice? LOL. he does need to pay his fair share and he needs to stop whining!!!!!

I think that you have many people mixed up here. You left out other identifying monikers like Fearless Leader, RabbbitNH, Sail, etc. What are we doing, guessing identifications now? There are many things impacting property taxes, if you live in a shack with three children you don't pay your fair share of property taxes. In another town I knew a person who had a neighbor who lived in a run down property and the assessors never went inside of the home. The inside was all fixed up and they paid very little in property taxes for decades. Then one day the new assessors showed up and much to their surprise it was a palace on the inside. Current use is the law in NH. If you do not like it, get enough of your people into the legislature and Senate and make that change. Good luck, it will take more than a few sycophantic whiners to change that law. As I said, good luck!

To Jonstah below. I could use the same argument about people who don't keep up their property and allow it to decay and have a smaller assessment compared to their neighbors. Are they contributing their fair share. What about a couple who have no children who live in a home valued at $175,000. The neighbor down the street lives in a crappy gambrel and has three children going to school and their home is valued at $85,000. Is it fair for the couple with no children to subsidize the family with three children. Is the family with three children paying their "fair share" of school taxes? There are lots of ways that you can view this issue.

To TakeTheCountryBack ------ can't reply below ---- Your augment is exactly what I have said. Current use is just a tax break for large land owners. What would happen to the tax rate in your town if you bought all the land, each person owning 1/2 acre house lot would be taxed out of their home because the number of payers never went up just the dollars due. Town, school, police etc. all want a raise just like you and me - somebody has to pay for it. Without growth the tax burden falls on the same few. Personally I am for an income tax set up so it is tax neutral. Leave the budget the same but make ~20% derived from property tax and ~80% from an income tax. As one's income goes up (just as the value of your property) you pay a little more, when it goes down you pay a little less. You can retire with your home and live there, the way this state is going a person on a fixed income will not be able to live here in ten years. Why can others not put their 1 or 2 acre lot in current use and remove that value from their tax base? I’m fine with people having large tracts but the way it is set up now you want to save your 200 acres for your kids and have me pay more every year for you to do it.

The issue is that we allowed the state to be developed. People moved here from elsewhere and voila! we need larger and more schools. My only concern using current use is to STOP DEVELOPMENT! The more development we have means that the developers make tons of money, tax payers are saddled with sprawl. Town police departments need to be cut. Towns of 3000 people used to have one or two officers and two cruisers. Now they have 8 officers and 6 vehicles. It is stunningly foolish. The school question is one which could be addressed with a sales tax exempting food and clothing. All proceeds would be earmarked for education and the budget would be set up to not grow for a period of 5 years. In addition, property taxes would be legislated to NEVER be used for the schools again. If a town wanted to build a new police station, they would have to have 67% of the town vote yes to raise the town budget more than 2% per year. There would have to be agreement that no new administration would be added to the NH Dept of Revenue and they would collect the sales taxes with existing staff. Finally, the sales tax could never be rolled into the general fund.....EVER! It would be 100% for education or 80% education, 20% for infrastructure. Now that is a plan that would work immediately. Don't think that this is a conservative, liberal argument. One poster on here is a hard Left progressive, owns a home valued at over $500,000 on a lake and complains about how "unfair" our current property tax system is. I hear the same complaints from conservatives as well. When it comes down to politics, it is all about how much money or wealth a person has or does not have.

To TakeTheCountryBack ------ can't reply below ---- Your augment is exactly what I have said. Current use is just a tax break for large land owners. What would happen to the tax rate in your town if you bought all the land, each person owning 1/2 acre house lot would be taxed out of their home because the number of payers never went up just the dollars due. Town, school, police etc. all want a raise just like you and me - somebody has to pay for it. Without growth the tax burden falls on the same few. Personally I am for an income tax set up so it is tax neutral. Leave the budget the same but make ~20% derived from property tax and ~80% from an income tax. As one's income goes up (just as the value of your property) you pay a little more, when it goes down you pay a little less. You can retire with your home and live there, the way this state is going a person on a fixed income will not be able to live here in ten years. Why can others not put their 1 or 2 acre lot in current use and remove that value from their tax base? I’m fine with people having large tracts but the way it is set up now you want to save your 200 acres for your kids and have me pay more every year for you to do it.

If the state does not want an "income tax" then they should stop the "current use tax". NH generates its revenue from property tax and yet it exempts over 50% of all the property in NH. Every property owner should pay the tax based on the current value of the property they own - period. Where is the logic in that a person that owns 100 acres pays less property tax than a person owning a 1/2 acre house lot? Conservation has nothing to do with "current use"; the property owner can sell those 100 acres anytime they want to any person they want.

I guess that you do not have land on current use. First and foremost when land is on current use, you MUST allow hunting, fishing, etc. Second, if you take land off of current use you pay a fee and taxes on that land. Third, the idea behind land use is to keep large tracts undeveloped, we can see what happened when massholes came up and developed our state into housing. You want more of that? If you think that my $400 tax break on my measly current use will help you, well you can have it but I want it earmarked for education, not some state employees benefits.

I’ll dispute what you say and here is why: Quoted from the SPACE - Statewide Program of Action to Conserve our Environment website. What is the Recreational Discount? The Recreational Discount is an incentive for landowners to keep their land open to others for six low-impact land uses; skiing, snowshoeing, fishing, hunting hiking and nature observation. In exchange for agreeing to allow all six of these activities, the current use assessment is reduced by 20%. No other recreational activities must be allowed, and the landowner may post against any other uses. Participation in the Recreational Discount is optional. ((That's an extra 20% reduction)) Isn't it true that all Current Use land is open to the public? No. There is no requirement for Current Use landowners to allow public use of their land. Current Use land is private property and the landowner has the right to decide how their property is used. What is the Land Use Change Tax? The Land Use Change Tax is a penalty tax charged when land is removed from Current Use. It is 10% of the fair market value (not the sale price) of the land area being removed, assessed at the time of the change in use. I want to sell a 25 acre parcel of land enrolled in Current Use. Will I have to pay a Land Use Change Tax? Will the new owner? No Land Use Change Tax will be assessed for a change of ownership of a parcel of land greater than 10 acres. ----------------------- Over 50% of the state is in "current use", and you and anyone else may sell that land to anyone you wish any day of the week. It is your land, do what you want but it is not conservation it is just a tax break .

- Over 50% of the state is in "current use", and you and anyone else may sell that land to anyone you wish any day of the week. It is your land, do what you want but it is not conservation it is just a tax break . "One of the New Hampshire Advantages" that most middle income residents don't have access to as they can't afford the large tracts of land that the wealthy land barons own. The days of farming are gone and if you are getting this tax break you aren't contributing your share of school taxes in the city or town where you live. If you want to be a large tract owner pay for it! Pay your fair share and stop screwing your school system in the "great state" of Cow Hampshire! OK MillenniO?

OK, let's look at it this way. A man who used to be a farmer owns 200 acres. The valuation on that property is $1,200,000. His farm home is on 6 acres and is valued at $200,000. He wants to keep his farm land which he is no longer economically feasible to farm at a profit, so he puts the 200 on land use to save the land for his children and pays $20 per thousand or $4000 for his home. His land is all wooded and he pays $12,000 with that on land use. He and his wife work and they make a total income of $80,000. If land use is terminated, he would have an effective tax on his property of $24,000 plus $4,000 on his home. $80,000 with $28,000 in property taxes. You think that is "fair"? In reality he would have to sell that land to a person who is wealthy or a developer. The net effect would be that the average person could not own large tracts of land, only the wealthy could or people who want to subdivide and build housing developments. If I won the lottery, I would buy every single available tract of land in my town and put it on land use so that the town would not grow. I think that would be an admirable thing to do. It protects greater society from urban sprawl and people who have had land in their families for generations are not forced to either sell their land or wind up in the poor house. Beyond that, the "state" has enough of our money to blow....yes blow! If extra money was found that way it would just be spend and squandered.........

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