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In Indonesia, Kerry blasts climate change deniers

  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry raises his hand after beating the call to prayer drum during a tour of the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub, left, on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry raises his hand after beating the call to prayer drum during a tour of the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub, left, on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, second from right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, second from right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry greets a class of students while touring the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub, second from right, on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry greets a class of students while touring the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub, second from right, on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)
  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry raises his hand after beating the call to prayer drum during a tour of the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub, left, on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)
  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, second from right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)
  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry greets a class of students while touring the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub, second from right, on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)
  • U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, right, tours the Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub on Sunday, Feb. 16, 2014, in Jakarta. The Istiqlal Mosque is the largest mosque in Southeast Asia, capable of holding 120,000 people, and is the National Mosque of Indonesia. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci, Pool)

Climate change may be the world’s “most fearsome” weapon of mass destruction and urgent global action is needed to combat it, Secretary of State John Kerry said yesterday, comparing those who deny its existence or question its causes to people who insist Earth is flat.

In a speech to Indonesian students, civic leaders and government officials in Jakarta, Kerry laid into climate change skeptics, accusing them of using shoddy science and scientists to delay measures needed to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases at the risk of imperiling the planet. He also went after those who dispute who is responsible for such emissions, arguing that everyone and every country must take responsibility and act immediately.

“We simply don’t have time to let a few loud interest groups hijack the climate conversation,” he said, referring to what he called “big companies” that “don’t want to change and spend a lot of money” to act to reduce the risks. He later singled out big oil and coal concerns as the primary offenders.

“We should not allow a tiny minority of shoddy scientists and science and extreme ideologues to compete with scientific facts,” Kerry told the audience gathered at a U.S. Embassy-run American Center in a Jakarta shopping mall. “Nor should we allow any room for those who think that the costs associated with doing the right thing outweigh the benefits.”

“The science is unequivocal, and those who refuse to believe it are simply burying their heads in the sand,” Kerry said. “We don’t have time for a meeting anywhere of the Flat Earth Society,”

Kerry, saying that 97 percent of scientists who have weighed in on the issue agree that the phenomenon is real, argued that the cost of inaction to environments and economies will far outweigh the significant expense of reducing greenhouse gas emissions that trap solar heat in the atmosphere and contribute to Earth’s rising temperatures.

He outlined a litany of recent weather disasters, particularly flooding and typhoons in Asia, and their impact on commerce, agriculture, fishing and daily living conditions for billions of people.

“This city, this country, this region, is really on the front lines of climate change,” Kerry said. “It’s not an exaggeration to say that your entire way of life here is at risk.”

He added, “In a sense, climate change can now be considered the world’s largest weapon of mass destruction, perhaps even, the world’s most fearsome weapon of mass destruction.”

The solution, Kerry said, is a new global energy policy that shifts reliance from fossil fuels to cleaner technologies. He noted the President Obama is championing such a shift and encouraged others to appeal to their leaders to join.

The speech came a day after Kerry won an agreement with China to cooperate more closely with the U.S. on combatting climate change. American officials hope that will help encourage other nations, including developing countries like Indonesia and India, to follow suit.

Just after Kerry departed Beijing on Saturday, the U.S. and China issued a joint statement saying they had agreed on steps to carry out commitments to curb greenhouse gases, including reducing vehicle emissions, improving energy efficiency of buildings and other measures.

China and the United States are the biggest sources of emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases that cause the atmosphere to trap solar heat and alter the climate. Scientists warn such changes are already leading to drought, wildfires, rising sea levels, melting polar ice, plant and animal extinctions and other extreme conditions.

Beijing and Washington launched the U.S.-China Climate Change Working Group last year. They promised progress in five areas: reducing vehicle emissions; advanced electric power grids; capturing and storing carbon emissions; gathering greenhouse gas data; and building efficiency.

Kerry was in Indonesia on the last leg of a three-nation tour of Asia that started in South Korea and then China. After leaving Indonesia on Monday, he will travel on to Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates.

Before giving his climate change speech yesterday, Kerry toured Jakarta’s massive Istiqlal Mosque, one of the largest in the world, to pay his respects to Indonesia’s Muslim majority population.

Mr Currie says that the drought in California is caused by climate change. Again, I will quote him "Deniers like yourself are going to become increasingly marginalized as climate change marches on. It isn't going away: .... The most severe drought in CA. in 500 years..." Got that? Here is what the science "actually" says.."In fact, the most recent computer projections suggest that as the world warms, California should get wetter, not drier, in the winter, when the state gets the bulk of its precipitation. That has prompted some of the leading experts to suggest that climate change most likely had little role in causing the drought."....Thank you again Mr Currie.

You're welcome. Here's are excerpts and links to some of the studies projecting a drier southwest, which, I hasten to add, so far are spot on.“Remarkably, climate scientists specifically predicted a decade ago that Arctic ice loss would bring on worse droughts in the West, especially California. As it turns out, Arctic ice loss has been much faster than the researchers — and indeed all climate modelers — expected. Sloan and graduate student Jacob Sewall used powerful computers running a global climate model developed by the National Center for Atmospheric Research to simulate the effects of reduced Arctic sea ice. Their findings were published online by the journal Geophysical Research Letters on March 24 and will appear in a subsequent print issue of the journal. Sewall and Sloan based their study on projections of recent trends in Arctic sea ice cover published by a NASA researcher in 2002. Taking the projected ice cover in the year 2050 as a starting point, the researchers ran the model to see how the global climate would behave. What they found was a change in atmospheric circulation patterns that caused a small northward shift in the paths of winter storms over western North America. This shift in winter storm tracks resulted in significantly reduced winter precipitation from southern British Columbia to the Gulf of California. In some areas, average annual precipitation dropped by as much as 30 percent. The reductions were greatest along the West Coast, with lesser changes further inland. But even as far inland as the Rocky Mountains, winter precipitation fell by 17 percent.” http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/01/31/3223791/climate-change-california-drought/ Springtime precipitation is likely to decrease significantly, making it more difficult to meet water demands during the summer, when conditions are typically the driest. While severe droughts are already part of the Southwest climate, human-induced climate change will likely result in more frequent and more severe droughts with associated increases in wildfires. http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/impacts-adaptation/southwest.html#impactswater Over this century, projections point to an increasing probability of drought for the region. Many aspects of these projections, including a northward shift in winter and spring storm tracks, are consistent with observed trends over recent decades.20,21,22 Thus, the most likely future for the Southwest is a substantially drier one (although there is presently no consensus on how the region's summer monsoon [rainy season] might change in the future). Combined with the historical record of severe droughts and the current uncertainty regarding the exact causes and drivers of these past events, the Southwest must be prepared for droughts that could potentially result from multiple causes. The combined effects of natural climate variability and human-induced climate change could turn out to be a devastating “one-two punch” for the region. http://globalchange.gov/what-we-do/assessment/previous-assessments/global-climate-change-impacts-in-the-us-2009 "...as Arctic sea ice cover is reduced, precipitation patterns over western North America will shift toward dryer conditions in southwestern North America and wetter conditions in northwestern North America.Results from the CAM3 sensitivity study are similar to those from the original study with declining Arctic sea ice cover driving up to 25% less mean annual precipitation (MAP) over southwestern North America and up to an 8% increase in MAP over northwestern North America. The seven coupled models also reproduce this same general pattern. At the time of CO2 quadrupling, Arctic sea ice cover is reduced (up to 90% in boreal winter) and MAP over southwestern North America decreases by up to 30% while MAP in northwestern North America increases by up to 40%. These results represent a significant shift in the precipitation pattern over western North America and support the findings of the original sensitivity study in suggesting that, as future reductions in Arctic sea ice cover take place, there will be a substantial impact on water resources in western North America." http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/EI171.1

Arctic ice is up, and its 2014 not 2050...nice try.

False. Where are you getting your information? Clearly NOT from the science. The summer of 20012 was a year of record low ice extent. In 2013, the ice extent rebounded--to something like 6th lowest. But arctic ice volume continues to drop, "old ice" is disappearing rapidly. Here is accurate information on the science: http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgiMBxaL19M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BbPBg3vj8 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/28/arctic_sea_ice_global_warming_is_melting_more_ice_every_year.html

You got one thing right--it is 2014! However, arctic ice is diminishing faster than scientists thought it would (which attests to the conservative nature of the IPCC estimates for arctic ice loss, and probably some of their other projections, such as sea level rise), while the role of the Arctic as an important thermostat of the northern hemisphere is becoming more clear. So the projections for the amount of ice in 2050 may more likely be seen in 2025 or 2030. As will the effects of that loss—if they're not already being felt. http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/14/1594211/death-spiral-bombshell-cryosat-2-confirms-arctic-sea-ice-volume-has-collapsed/

to quote THINKPROGRESS.ORG as a source is the absolute height of hypocrisy from the lecturer on only using "so-called science journals"

You really don't know when to quit, do you? Given the volume of suspect and tendentious sources you offer--when you offer them, you should be the absolute last person to comment on the links others provide. If you had bothered to read the article, you'd have seen that it linked to the actual science discussed. And Joe Romm, the article's author, has a physics Ph.D from MIT. And while I have your attention: still waiting for an actual source for your Benghazi claims regarding the circumstances under which the Turkish envoy left Amb. Stevens residence the night of the fateful attack. Maybe try your "foundation"?

Wasted badwidth, a diatribe of a ideological absolutist who reads and believes everything that he reads. Posting over and over again, information which is slightly altered and more than likely the poster does not understand. The agenda here is the same as Obama's, to "fundamentally change" the way we live and our future. Figures don't lie but liars sure do figure. The daily "Harp" from one of the "Harp Per Minutus" brigade. Harpers go on and on and on about the same thing like a broken record, much like the boy who cried "wolf". They turn folks off with their constant diatribe of hysteria.

Speaking of diatribes....Feel free to contest/argue the facts anytime. The reality is that the deniers and their bots have no arguments that aren't distortions or outright lies about the science. Their final resort is to name-calling and McCarthyite smears. Et tu?

Here we go again. So here is the straight scoop. Obama and Democrats are being devastated in the polls and they will have a poor election year. A poll today shows that 71% of those who voted for Obama would not do so again. Next, Obama is wildly unpopular, most Americans don't want or like Obamacare and Obama is a lame duck. He is attempting to energize his base by piping up about "climate change" again, cafe standards on trucks, immigration reform, etc. He is deflecting from his failed record, his inability to lead and his Obamacare debacle. Kerry, well he is really empty as a leader, his Thurston Howell III impression is pretty good though. Maybe when he retires he can try that trick to buy a boat and not pay sales tax on it. I mean the ketchup industry is in trouble.

Which of these is the "buffoon", the "putz", the one who "indulges in poisonous fantasy": the man with a serious illness who, after getting the same diagnosis from several doctors, decides to heed their advice in regard to his treatment, or the one who chooses to ignore the advice of all the medical experts and science in favor of a quack who tells him theres nothing wrong with him that doing more of the same thing that made him sick in the first place won't cure?

Just the jetting around in one week produced more carbon than one US citizen produces in a year.

This is another example of a troll-post. There are between 50,000 and 90,000 commercial flights each day worldwide. Kerry, as Sec. of State, has a job description that requires him to meet foreign leaders all over the world. If the poster were at all serious about the issue of climate change, sincere posts on the topic would take the place of trolling irrelevance.

It's not a troll post Mr Currie...it is my opinion that Mr Kerrys words should match his actions. You think it's perfectly acceptable for Mr Kerry to have the carbon footprint in a week that the average citizen has in a year. You say it's in his job description. I disagree. He could do much to reduce his environmental impact should he choose to. As he said.."everyone and every country must take responsibility and act immediately."...Of course, to liberals like yourself...this means "uh..well, unless its in your job description..then..nevermind"

To paraphrase an old Monty Python sketch--you haven't made an argument, you've only made a contradiction. Your suggestion reeks of insincerity--to say the least. At best, you're making the perfect the enemy of the good. Your other statements in this thread and elsewhere show you've no interest in the subject--except to make snarky contradictory claims about climate change whenever the subject comes up. It's the troller M.O. The likes of Granite Grok is really not a good source for informed opinion on climate science--there are plenty of links out there that provide links to the science--none of which the Carp Per Diem brigade seem to have the slightest bit interested in. It's so much easier--and comforting--to keep that neat, tidy, and oh, so closed, mind. But if you're ever interested in the topic, I'd be happy to suggest a few book titles.

One last time Mr Currie...what does the statement "everyone and every country must take responsibility and act immediately." mean to you? Can that simple statement mean two different things? "Everyone" means even John Kerry. Just not to you apparently.

A must read: Why Secretary of State John Kerry Is Flat Wrong on Climate Change Posted on February 20, 2014 by Anthony Watts By Dr. Richard McNider and Dr. John Christy..... http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/20/a-must-read-why-secretary-of-state-john-kerry-is-flat-wrong-on-climate-change/

Well, first of all even if we tried, we could not reverse any climatic changes. Secondly, as East Anglia clearly proved, they were cooking the numbers and readers here should realize that. Yes the scientists were cleared by their own colleagues (fail) but we know that they were worried that the data did not prove their agenda and they were clearly worried about it. That is not "settled" science, that is "fake" science. You can be a harper all you want with statistics which I doubt you even understand, you can post and copy and paste from all of the left leaning blogs you want. People are not buying it and the more you "harp", the more you turn people off to what you are trying to prove. It may play well to the dupes who believe everything that their political allies tell them but the majority of the American people don't believe in man made climate change and they won't. So harp on, please, it defeats your agenda.

You simply don't know what you are talking about. There isn't a single statement in your post that is accurate or true. The stolen e-mails from the Hadley Center were drastically edited and torn out of context to put invidious meanings on words and phrases. And all they managed to get were a few phrases like "hide the decline" which were taken entirely out of an innocent context and spun. And now continue to make the round of the deniosphere--despite having been shown to be false. FOUR separate enquiries absolved the scientists of wrong-doing--including one by England's Parliament. As to "even if we tried, we could not reverse any climatic changes": how do you know that? On what basis do you make that claim--the science? Technology? And on what basis are you claiming that the "majority of Americans don't believe in man-made climate change"? Deniers like yourself are going to become increasingly marginalized as climate change marches on. It isn't going away: Record high temperatures in Alaska, while Atlanta endured record cold. The most severe drought in CA. in 500 years. The entire southwest of the U.S is in moderate to severe drought. Record high temps. in Australia. Unusually dry weather in Brazil. The Amazon rain forest may be drying up. There's been historic flooding in the U.K. It's easy enough for anyone with an open mind and a sincere interest in the subject to find accurate information on the science. Those with neither will continue to post denier nonsense.

We will see what happens with the Michael (top global warming liar) Mann trial..Things will come out in discovery and guess what, it will show that he cooked the research. This will be fun to watch. Like I said, your hysteria and ranting and "in your face" style only plays to the dummies......thinking citizens see what you are all about......ideology and politics. Rant and rave on, you are helping defeat climate change fantasy.

You're going to be disappointed if you believe that. There have been a large number of follow-up studies in the 15 years or so since Mann et al did their initial research using a variety of different temperature "proxies" (indirect measures of climate, such as tree rings or coral reefs). These subsequent studies have confirmed the basic outline of the "hockey stick". Namely, that the 20th century warming is greater and occurring at a faster rate than any time in past 1300 to 1700 years. That's how real science works; when further research either confirms or fails to confirm preliminary/novel findings, the findings can be trusted as accurate and factual. That's in marked contrast to the lies, dishonesty, the raving, and the "ideology and politics" financed by a tiny cabal of fossil fuel interests-- that's all being done by the deniers and their sock puppets. Here are some links to research buttressing the case for the "hockey stick": http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/smith2006/smith2006.html http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5945/1236.abstract http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v441/n7097/full/4411032a.html http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/articles/MRWA-JGR07.pdf http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/09/02/0805721105.abstract http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~peter/Resources/Seminar/readings/Huang_boreholeTemp_Nature%2700.pdf

Will MR Currie please provide the scientific proof that 'The most severe drought in CA. in 500 years" is caused by climate change. I await your answer. 2/20/14 5:17 am.

Sure. Unlike some, I'm happy to back up my posts with factual data. And you're quite free to reject it out of hand, as I’m sure you’ll do—just as the tobacco lobby rejected any link between smoking and cancer. Meanwhile, you're conflating 2 issues, while trying to deny both even exist—1) that the current drought is unusual, and 2) that global warming is real. Scientific "proof" can never be 100%. There isn't 100% proof that smoking causes cancer, for example. Any single weather event, whether a superstorm or long-term drought, can't be linked definitively to climate change. But as more and more unusual events (California's long-term and severe drought being one of a half-dozen unusual weather events I mentioned above), happen around the world, scientists see stronger links--and likely cause and effect--between global warming and more extreme weather. Supporting the links is the fact that both the climate models and the basic science of weather (warmer water and warmer air make for faster evaporation from land and water and more energy for storms to draw upon) have projected an increase in extreme weather events--severe and prolonged drying in the southwest has been projected as very likely in the future for over a decade. Here is the evidence for the claim that California may be in the midst of its worst drought in centuries.“In the last 500 years, there have been only three years as dry as the current one, B. Lynn Ingram, a paleoclimatologist at the University of California at Berkeley, said.” More background on California’s dry spell can be found here: http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/historic-california-drought-af/23468432 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140213-california-drought-record-agriculture-pdo-climate/#.UwJ-6fldWao http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/01/31/3223791/climate-change-california-drought/ http://geography.berkeley.edu/people/person_detail.php?person=25

Just to be clear..What Mr Currie said in his previous post.."Deniers like yourself are going to become increasingly marginalized as climate change marches on. It isn't going away: Record high temperatures in Alaska, while Atlanta endured record cold. The most severe drought in CA. in 500 years. The entire southwest of the U.S is in moderate to severe drought. Record high temps. in Australia. Unusually dry weather in Brazil. The Amazon rain forest may be drying up."...When asked for proof on one of his claims, the drought in California, is caused by "climate change"...he offered NO proof. What Mr Currie did was say "look at all these weather events happening around the world that science cant prove are caused by climate change"..as proof of climate change. Thank you Mr Currie.

Again,you're welcome but that's not quite what I said. But as we've learned, reading comprehension is either not your strength, or it works selectively.I listed a half dozen different on-going extreme events and said that scientists are seeing ever stronger links between the number of unusual events and a warming planet. The projections of multiple climate models indicate that some parts of the planet will get wetter, some will get drier. At some point, the pattern of impacts of a warming planet will be noticeable even to deniers like yourself. The challenge for those of us in the reality-based community is not to let deniers like yourself continue to maintain that climate change is not happening, or that there is nothing we can do about it. Both strategies are stall tactics of the denier lobby intent on preserving the status-quo.

Again...re the drought in California. When I say that this drought is just a drought due to natural variability, and nothing else...that is a true statement. Fact.

No it's not a true statement. No one-except those in their denier cocoons of unreality--can say, given the facts on climate change, that the California drought is "just a drought due to natural variability, and nothing else...."

good one

Question to the readers - are National Geographic and Accuweather - "SCIENCE" journals?

You know..I do believe they are not. Thank you for pointing that out!

STUDY: "Billions spent in Obama climate plan may be virtually useless" ....groundbreaking study by the National Research Council has warned that those kinds of subsidies are virtually useless at quelling greenhouse gases...... HEADLINE: EPA Estimates Its Greenhouse Gas Restrictions Would Reduce Global Temperature by No More Than 0.006 of a Degree in 90 Years " ...will seriously harm the economy if implemented.- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/epa-estimates-its-greenhouse-gas-restrictions-would-reduce-global-temperature-no-more#sthash.GNfeltmX.dpuf

CNS "News": another climate science "expert" putting its denier spin on the actual science. Oddly, the actual science NEVER gets quoted by sail. I wonder why that is?

When a Globull warming ALARMISTS cant debate the facts as presented from the EPA and National Research Council scientists - he denigrates the message and the messenger - a perfect example of the truly sad state of the alarmists debate

Same old whine in a new bottle, eh, sail? Many small steps—incremental changes—can add up to making a big difference and getting us back to 350ppm of CO2. No one magic bullet or tech fix by itself will get us back to that number. http://courses.washington.edu/ocean450/Discussion_Topics_Papers/Pacala_Socolow.pdf

Not even Hollywood could make up this Kerry flop. Kerry goes full blast on climate alarmism while a VOLCANO disrupts the Asian region. MEANWHILE recently the leading climate Alarmists blamed volcanoes as the cause for no globull warming the last 17 years and 5 months. The climate alarmists have lost the debate: it´s time we stopped indulging their poisonous fantasy

Yet another Putz that claims he wants to work with everybody, yet when it comes to getting all sides of any issue he only wants to hear his side. I hope he runs for President. They are all the same. Claim to be the folks who want to work across the aisle, compromise etc, and never makes any attempt to hear other views. That is because the left believes they are right about everything. Only one side to any issue and that is the left side. Yet they claim they represent all the people. Just sit back and watch them destruct. Kerry is on the same path as Clinton. Do nothing Secretary.

"He also went after those who dispute who is responsible for such emissions, arguing that everyone and every country must take responsibility and act immediately." Say it again..."everyone and every country must take responsibility and act immediately." Kerry arrived in Indonesia on a huge jet, exits jet, joins a 50 SUV motorcade, all of them idling for hours with the air conditioners on, does his little speech, gets back in the 50 SUV motorcade, stays in the finest hotels..then back in the 50 SUV motorcade, back on the huge jet to do the same thing over and over again. "everyone must take responsibility and act immediately."....This putz has the climate footprint of 10, 000 people. Perhaps he'd be more believable if he did a web conference with solar powered laptop. When I see that happen, I might believe he's actually serious about what he's saying.

Well said. Kerry is a world class buffoon.

That "world class buffoon" happens to have a Silver Star, a Bronze star, and three Purple Hearts, earned when he could easily have gotten multiple deferments like Dick Cheney did. Then he had the guts to tell the truth about the war that had turned into a genocidal assault on a 3rd world country, where we dropped more bombs than in all of WW2.

Yes he lied before Congress about war atrocities which he never witnessed "in the manner of Ghengis Kahn" and then became a traitor when he met with the North Vietnamese in Paris. He did, however, marry well.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I happen to believe Kerry's testimony on atrocities was an accurate reflection of what happened there--that war crimes were the inevitable result of waging modern war against a peasant culture in which there were no clear lines between civilian and soldier. Kerry's testimony was based on the Winter Soldier testimony of Vietnam veterans, as well as on his own experience there. Further, regarding "lies": it's interesting that "swift-boating" remains a synonym for "lying'. The lies of the Swiftboaters are well-documented. Also well-documented is the support Kerry received from all but one of his surviving shipmates. As for visiting Paris and meeting with the "enemy", it's not the first time private citizens ever met with "enemy agents" during a war or during a crisis. If that makes him a traitor in your eyes so be it. Contrast him with Dick Cheney, who sought and received 5 separate deferments because he had "other priorities" during the Vietnam era, then as VP helped lie the nation into a stupidly wasteful war against a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. Or consider Richard Nixon, who secretly let it be known to N. Vietnam BEFORE the 1968 election that he would make a better deal to end the war than LBJ would. And then there's Ronald Reagan. We still don't know whether back-channel communications between representatives of the Reagan campaign and the Ayatollah actually took place, but what evidence there is, is highly suggestive. Nixon's actions likely prolonged the Vietnam War and including several horrific bombing campaigns during his terms of office. LBJ regarded him as a traitor for what he did. If the claims about Reagan are ever found to be true, then the same can be said of him. Kerry's actions, intended to help end a war, not to prolong it or a hostage crisis, seem noble in comparison.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668 http://truth-out.org/news/item/15044-october-surprise-and-argo http://wjcohen.home.mindspring.com/otherclips/sick.htm

How did Kerry vote on that Kyoto Globull Warming Treaty - Oh yea ..... he voted NO. I cant remember - did he vote no before he voted yes? ....... he is indeed a world class buffoon

While it seems unlikely, someday we might believe you're "actually serious" about what you're saying, too.

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