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Letter: Religion has no place in legislation

Re “The true ruling is in the Bible” (Brian Fuller, Monitor Opinion page, June 29):

Putting aside the implied hatred of homosexuals masked by a seemingly happy-go-lucky tone to his fundamentalist rhetoric, Brian Fuller’s idea that the laws set forth in the Bible should be the basis for the laws in our country is ludicrous. That might work part of the time, but I am sure the shellfish industry here in New England might not like it. Although, they could perhaps just go into the “throwable stone” industry. It’s never too late for a career change.

While this great nation was founded primarily by Christians, it most certainly was not founded as a Christian nation. Benjamin Franklin said, “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.” Our laws must be based on science and reason. It doesn’t matter how badly the nontaxpaying religious organizations would like laws to be based on their faith’s beliefs, it’s unconstitutional. Simply put: Religion has no place in legislation. Our founders knew it, the LGBTQ community knows it, and thank goodness the Supreme Court of the United States knows it.

AARON McGAHAN

Concord

The United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, states: "'In God we trust' is the national motto."

That brings up some questions. In whose God do we trust? Some of us understand there is one God but many paths, can we then have a conversation about these many paths and seek to reach a new understanding and appreciation for our religous plurality? What about those who do not believe in God, but instead find their trust in other places and different understandings? A country founded, in part, on freedom of religion should also allow for freedom from religion...no coersion into a belief or trust in God...but instead the freedom to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

Religion has been the most debated, most misused subject in human history all in distraction on a main fact, is there a God? Whether one is "religious" or not, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize one thing, when man tries to explain, label or fix anything on it's own merit, we fail miserably because of another main fact, we feel we can do things on our own merit without a responsibility to a higher being, something history has testified to. Religion is just a term - label, just like being a democrat, republican, evolutionist, atheist or whatever people believe all under the guise to fulfill their own self serving beliefs. Belief in a higher force/being is a responsibility without trying to fit some human ideological mentality. I have always felt that the God who created the universe doesn't need us to keep him up to date, maybe it's us in our ignorance and arrogance who should realize just how stupid we really are trying to do it our way. Here's a simple thought, the more man removes themselves from a "spiritual" responsibility under the guise of intellectual enlightenment and "refined" morality, the more we struggle to solve our issues, not an opinion, but a simple fact

Satan lives in Liberalism

Satan? It appears Dana Carvey's Saturday Night Live Church Lady character is among us. "Isn't that SPECIAL?"

RMG, Good points about ideologies. Just like guns; can be used to kill & maim OR guard & protect. I hear the most negative interpretation in your words. Religions have also fostered some of mankind's most noble moments and inspire large numbers of believers to do good -sometimes for no other reason than, "its what God teaches us to do" I think religion; in a spiritual context, is an inclusive force than brings us together. Religion can also be used to divide, differentiate and create exclusive group modeling. I feel our society would gain much by continuing to use the cohesive "glue" of belief in God and religious tenets like the Golden rule, forgive, and mutual respect because we are all part of God. The potential for positives far outweigh the negatives, IMHO. I agree the use of religion as a pretext for intolerance, separation and criminal activity (like violence to others (like women)) should be steadfastly rejected, opposed and defeated when, like a tool (no inherent goodness or badness), it is used for evil purpose. Religion is powerful - its how mankind uses it that brings on good/bad labels.

Religions are potentially an horrific threat to folks -- as indeed are ideologies generally -- as history has always so tragically confirmed. So also can they represent merely interesting and constructive pluralism, and thus genuinely have their place in society. But since we cannot do without some form of generalized ideal, let us at least confirm the one that defines us most, so far at least. Religion and assertive ideology have no place in legislation, and we fundamentally need to guard against that, lest an upper hand be inadvertantly obtained by those who would perhaps merely enforce their own arbitrary social standards or -- so far worse -- burn witches, conduct inquisitions, institute pograms, or slaughter without end Enemies of their Secularly Holy State.

Religion is not your enemy. Most people with a religion tend to be more kind, caring and accepting - why would you attack a system that exposes those principles? If you want to impose your will and values on others, attack beliefs and value that other find very important -should you not expect the same treatment? Are you attacking religion just as a proxy for those who disagree with you position on this topic? if you want to see a more mutually respectful and accepting society - this would be a good place to start.

Religion is not my enemy, it's nothing to me. More people have died in the name of religion than for any other cause. We can be thankful for the witch trials which lasted from the 15th to as late as 1831 when it's estimated more than 100,000 women were executed, then we have the Grand Inquisition, another good time to be alive with all those really awesome tortures. Let's not forget the Crusades, Catholic missionaries in South and Central American, Protestant vs. Catholic in N Ireland, the ongoing abuse in the Catholic Church. Yes by all means we owe religion a lot. Oops, forgot the Islam vs. Christianity insanity. Who could forget those that operate under the guise of religion such as the Westboro Baptists. Religion, a study in genocide.

I cannot for the life of me understand why any religion is a threat to folks. You are not forced to join any church, cult or whatever. You are also allowed to not have anything to do with a person who is in a religion you do not like. It is called choice. The Rev does not speak for all conservatives anymore than a Progressive speaks for all Democrats. Folks come in all kinds of degrees of what they believe in. There is a seperation of church and state in this country, yet our President tried to go around that and dictate that the Catholic Church should change their tenets in regards to BC. No seperation of church and state there right? Folks are entitled to their opinions. The fact that many feel that any opinion they disagree with should not be allowed is a direct attempt to limit free speech. The Rev has only power with the folks who follow him in his church. The folks who have decided to attend his church. We see many getting their Knickers in a twist when folks have a different opinion. All right to disagree, but it is not all right to state that person should not be allowed to speak, and it is not okay to trash anybody's faith.

Rabbit You said " I cannot for the life of me understand why any religion is a threat to folks." Perhaps you've forgotten what life is like under an Islamic Theocracy or under a Christian Theocracy during the inquisition?

Rabbit...what bothers me about religion is the religious people who believe that they know how every person should behave and what people should be ALLOWED to do. Freedom cannot have a religious master !!

Same here for me Walter. Yet I believe they have the right to their opinion. I also see folks who think they know what is best politically and try to force their thinking on me. The difference is that the very few times I have encountered a religious person who wants to bring me into their flock, they do not call me names, or change the subject. They usually say they will pray for me. No uncivil language etc. Not so with politics. So I can deal with a religious person a lot easier than a political person. Too many people are creating threats that are not there. Manufacturing history repeating itself if religion, reps, tea party, etc are not shut down and restricted.Anyone with an opposing view is seen as a threat. That is not the American Way.

You said: "There is little doubt a supreme being exists." Okay, then prove it. Next, let me bring up another point the original point didn't mention, namely which religion should we base our country on? There are dozens of religions on this planet. The Founding Fathers knew basing our new country on any religion was folly; that is why we have the separation of church and state we have. Here are some quotes from a couple Founding Fathers: "The Government of the United States is NOT, in ANY sense, founded on the Christian Religion." -- John Adams "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."-Thomas Jefferson, Dec. 6, 1813. "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."-Thomas Jefferson, February 10, 1814 Religion has no place in our government. We were founded as a secular state for a purpose: To keep everyone free and equal.

No matter how much you try to remove it, all modern day law is steeped in religious roots. The majority of common law was based on Mosaic (Moses) law. It just that modern law has explained Mosaic law in an exploded view version in minute detail. Thou Shalt Not Steal- yup there are laws on that. Thou Shalt not commit adultery- Plenty of them as well. It's hard to place reason along side the church. There is little doubt a supreme being exists. it's a wonder how the church existed all these years though. There is no love within the church to its followers, only consequences for not following doctrine.

"No matter how much you try to remove it, all modern day law is steeped in religious roots." False, utterly false. Our law code owes more to Roman law than to anything Biblical. When nobody was looking did our legislators slip in the dietary provisions? Did they mandate circumcision? Did they require segregation of the sexes and declare women "unclean" at various times? Have we laws on the books requiring separation of wool and linen, or sheep from goats? What about death by stoning for blasphemy? Need a few dozen more examples, do you?

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